6.1 SMN. Why?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I know the intention behind the change was to get us to use our rez but at this point I'd rather they just delete the spell from the kit. Give us another Astral Flow ability in its place. Swiftcast is now practically useless outside of movement at lower levels, unless I find myself in a party that is struggling for whatever reason. Ideally I wish we could just fast forward to 7.0 for whenever they give us Demi-Alex or some other summoning gauge for one-off primals like him or Odin.

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i think this is a bit overblown. there are two possible uses forSwiftcast - 1- Snapshotting Slipstream under raidbuffs and 2 - Resing. And i suppose you could in desperate times use a swift to move if you absolutely had to and you happened need to between last arcanum and Demi reset ... though the chances are so small and unlikely.

I kind of hopein 7.0 we get 3 x arcanum and maybe a third demi or an upgrade to the current Demis... I was thinking maybe H and Z from Endwalker would be really cool. Honestly i know a lot of people want Alexander but i dont think it would look good. (Totally based on Aesthetic reasons)

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Originally Posted by EhvaTaco

I listed those three due to their nature with their procs. Yeah, I guess BRD's rotation can be rather same-y otherwise. But that's true for every job to some extent. However, SMN's core rotation having little to no variance is still not a problem. That's just how the job's design. But I don't think comparing SMN to the healers is a good example. Healers are designed around having a variety of healing options and tools. The days of old, where SCHs managed 4+ dots are long over and job design has since changed.

That said, SMN is simply a simple job with lots of mobility and the game feel it offers of summoning primals. In a game with so many options to choose from, having one or two "easy modes" is a given.

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Wait...so SMN being a healer-level kit complexity, but with none of the healing tools is a good thing? Because the game needs an "easy mode"? You could have gone with anything, like "oh well you can choose summon order" or "the same button you press has a cast time 3 times a minute" or "trust me astral flow on Arcanum summons changes everything trust me", but you went with that?

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

I kind of hopein 7.0 we get 3 x arcanum and maybe a third demi or an upgrade to the current Demis... I was thinking maybe H and Z from Endwalker would be really cool. Honestly i know a lot of people want Alexander but i dont think it would look good. (Totally based on Aesthetic reasons)

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Due to the story, there's a really good chance that we could get Eternal Darkness and Divine Light Trance. Especially the former. And it excites me a lot!

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Originally Posted by EhvaTaco

Due to the story, there's a really good chance that we could get Eternal Darkness and Divine Light Trance. Especially the former. And it excites me a lot!

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That would require SE to remember primals outside of ARR exist. Good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

I kind of hopein 7.0 we get 3 x arcanum and maybe a third demi or an upgrade to the current Demis... I was thinking maybe H and Z from Endwalker would be really cool. Honestly i know a lot of people want Alexander but i dont think it would look good. (Totally based on Aesthetic reasons)

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Hydaelyn and Zodiark would be such a dream come true-especially if we get to see a demi model of a "complete" Zodiark. Whether Hydaelyn or Alex I just really miss having a light/holy summon.

Because no one over there actually plays Summoner apparently. Prob not true, but "Wonder, I sometimes do."

Given my almost zero faith for the future of this job or the people in charge of it, after all these years of playing it... I want one thing at least. Please make the place command, the point at which summons spawn instead of always on my tail, it's painful ok, thanks.

Sorry for the negativity, I'm in a funk today, prob shouldn't post but I'm dumb, so there it is, prob all the damage from Titan landing on my skull. Carry on.

Ah zodiark... im still bummed we didnt get to meet the true zodiark (i know elidi kinda is and kinda isnt but still) I do like his design though. Id be so hyped if thats what we got in 7.0.

The Zodi/Hydie ship already sailed with Endwalker. Massively missed opportunity.

It's 2 more years of distilled triteness and it's unlikely the next expansion will make Summoner require more than vegetable IQ once the lowest common denominators settle on Summoner (see White Mage since ARR).

I honestly probably would have liked this version of SMN in 2.0, but there’s nothing unique about it.

Too much of the job is weakened because of flavor and weird clunky design.

Having healing utility attached to a 20 second window is bad design and is just flavor because it’s phoenix.

Having resurrection and physick is because of scholar.

They don’t want to get rid of carbuncle, so our shield is often locked out.

You can also ask yourself why there is more White Mage players than Astrologians when AST is superior. WHM is quite simple and easy compared to AST.

This is the same for SMN and BLM. You see a huge amount of SMN players versus BLM. Because SMN is literally a 1 button job that you can't work anything around.

Why are there more Reapers than any other melees? Because its the easiest melee to play.

But easy gameplay mechanic does not warrant the terrible cluster hell that is Summoner in raid. Maybe spell speed will have more value now that you can press Searing light during Bahamut/Phoenix? All I'm saying is Red Mage is brain dead and easy gameplay mechanic and its infinitely more enjoyable for yourself and the party to have around.