Think We'll get the Other Elemental Egi for SMN next Expansion?

Less than zero chance you ever summon Shiva.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Less than zero chance you ever summon Shiva.

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And yet here we are summoning Phoenix every other minute, we do not need to lore gatekeep the few summons FFXIV's Summoner can draw source material from please. If we can summon him, we can summon her.

Don't hold your breath. I would like to think we will, even if it's just glam options. However, we were already told at the end of ARR that we were going to get them in HW, and it never happened.

The level 90 Summons are what I've wanted since ARR...

Next obvious step though would probably be pulling off what Ysayle did with Shiva using one of our summons... Likely Phoenix, since they technically kind of do that already using Bahamut in LB3...

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And yet here we are summoning Phoenix every other minute, we do not need to lore gatekeep the few summons FFXIV's Summoner can draw source material from please. If we can summon him, we can summon her.

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Thinking about it, Shiva makes more sense as a Demi-summon to me due to our personal relationship with her. Maybe next e pension we can get a Shiva phase in the SMn rotation. XD

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Originally Posted by Denji

doubt it.

most you'll get is alphie's obsidian carbuncle if you do.

also i'm still annoyed i can't replace my fairy with a carbuncle.

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I doubt even that now. Because now summoners can’t replace their 90 summons with carbuncle.

They won’t give us. Carbuncle, they’re more likely removing Carbuncle altogether WHICH I WANT MY LEVEL 90 ALL CARBUNCLE SUMMONER. FIX IT

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

The level 90 Summons are what I've wanted since ARR...

Next obvious step though would probably be pulling off what Ysayle did with Shiva using one of our summons... Likely Phoenix, since they technically kind of do that already using Bahamut in LB3...

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Level 90 summoners are almost 100% perfect if you could glamour them. But you can’t, so they need to be fixed.

Make the job interesting first then worry about aesthetics. But no, I doubt they will add more summons

Two summons at once, please. And with more special effects.
And let me glamour Bahamut/Phoenix. I want to run around with two Titan nuggets.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

And by that, I mean Leviathan (Water), Shiva (Ice), Ramuh (Lightning), Hydalyn (Light) and Zodiark (Dark).

Ever since Uriagner talked about the true elemental Wheel thingy on the First back in Shadowbringers and FFXIV team revamping SMN into being able to finally and freely fully summon Ifrit, Garuda and Titan with no strings attached. It's made me wonder if they're setting up SMN to function like how the true elemental wheel thingy does where we'll summon specific egi in a certain pattern in order to eventually call forth Hydalyn or Zodiark for one big monstrous attack! While our regular demi summons are decoupled from the summoning roulette and are configuring into more of a situational use. Such as Bahamut being summoned to quickly burned down mobs with its relentless AoE attacks and Phoenix helping party members recover HP faster when the Healer can't handle it on their own.

Like... Light represents stagnation, while Darkness represents rapid acceleration in the world of FFXIV. So, by summoning three Egi in a row that correspond with either element.... You know what? I'm too dumb and hyper right now, so let me do it this way:

Fire, Lightning, Ice = Summoning Zodiark

Wind, Earth, Water = Summoning Hydalyn

Uhh... So what do you guys think about all of this?

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1) The elements that correspond to BLM and WHM do not align with the elemental wheel's categorization of "astral" and "umbral" or "light" and "dark" elements. Water, earth, and ice are "umbral" and wind, fire, and lightning are "astral". At the same time none of these categorizations align with the three conquests or submissions. *AND* at the same time ice is most aligned with light and lightning with darkness, which is the exact opposite of WHM/BLM.

2) The elemental system in XIV is a stupid, self-contradictory mess. Making any job themed around it would just ruin it. I would rather the devs continue to keep making jobs like SMN (earth/wind/fire), SAM (wind/ice), GNB (lightning/fire), and BLU (water/ice) that have a distinct flavor of a few elements that make sense within the job fantasy but otherwise take no cues from the elemental wheel. I certainly don't want any job to become an elemental generalist at this point given that elements are purely cosmetic in XIV.

3) Shiva, Ramuh, and to some extent Leviathan are more characters than summons in XIV. I don't see any reason to summon them the same way we do the big three tribal primals. I've also written elsewhere how including Shiva/Ramuh would throw out of balance the glorious proto-Indo-European "Iranosphere" mysticism vibe that Summoner has by shifting it far too heavily into "Hindu gods" territory. The Warring Triad (representing Christian, Judaic, and Zoroastrian gnosticism sprouting from ancient Mesopotamia) or Alexander and Eden (representing Greco-Persian-Egyptian/Anatolian syncretism) would be far more on-brand for Summoner. I could maybe stomach balancing Shiva with something on the other end of the Persian cultural spectrum like Hades, but I really like that summoner has a more "primal"/"bestial" theming to it this go-around that would be diluted with too many god-summons.