Is it really the end? *Spoilers*

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I kind of doubt we're not going to still be running into primals in regions we haven't explored yet like Meracydia and the New World.

The Ascians were spreading the knowledge of summoning everywhere simply so they'd have more potential fuel for calamities if needed (Which worked out very well in Bahamut's case), though Aldenard seems to have been their focal point.

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Idr which but some of the summoners who were trapped with the Warring Triad were from Mericidia, tho think they also called them now extinct, but that dose show that the Ascians were hitting there too with primals even back in the time of Allag

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Idr which but some of the summoners who were trapped with the Warring Triad were from Mericidia, tho think they also called them now extinct, but that dose show that the Ascians were hitting there too with primals even back in the time of Allag

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All three of the Warring Triad were Meracydian gods, actually. As was Bahamut, because remember that the dragons were in Meracydia at the time too.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That isn't how summoning works, at least by our current understanding. Each time a primal is summoned, it is created anew by the summoners based on their concept of the entity they are summoning.

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+1 this; I believe we see this in Titan's summoning when Ga bu's rage at the loss of his parents influences the version of Titan we fight in his storyline (Titan has spoken lines that are what Ga Bu would be screaming).

This is not to say there isn't some residual memory between summons though (we don't know about this). The only thing I can point to a short couple of lines between Garuda and Susanoo that suggests Garuda is doing what is asked of her begrudgingly. There is nothing to explain why she might feel this way.

My personal opinion is the primals will probably still exist in the storyline, even if they're not quite the same world-ending threats that they used to be. The knowledge on how to summon them is still out there, and while the issues with Eorzea and their beast tribes are settled for the moment, the game's pretty clear on the idea that people fall back into despair, cruelty, and fanaticism eventually. It is worth noting that the presence of the scales means that any Scions or future party members could join us in fighting them now, meaning they can be relegated to dungeon bosses rather than full Trials. Even if we go to the New World or Meracydia we could have primals to slay.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

The introduction of the porxies (to cure tempering), warding scales (to prevent tempering), teaching the Eorzean beast tribes (and Kojin) proper creation magics to call forth their deities instead of the corrupted summoning arts taught by the Ascians (so they don't want to temper in the first place), and improving relationships with said beast tribes so they're not openly antagonistic anymore (so summons are far less frequent to never) basically tells us they are done with primals as a big antagonistic force.

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If I recall correctly the Loporrits did the actual creating, the beast tribes provided the templates and the aether.

We've never seen any of the modern races use proper creation magic, it comes across more like a lack of ability than a lack of training. Like creation magic is to us what regular magic is to the Garleans, it doesn't matter how long you spend with Gaius teaching him to cast Cure I or Fire I or whatever, he simply cannot do it.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

Not sure if this is a plot hole or not or if I just have my lore mixed up but...

What prevents anyone from taking the form of a primal, like Shiva, and then just tempering everyone? Hydi is gone and with her the blessing of light that shielded us from tempering. Even if we still have it, anyone from here on out will not, allowing anyone crazy enough to just become a god. Yes there are the amulets now, but I don't they are perfect and tempering may still be doable with a bit of study. Anything you can make you can unmake and a shield is no different.

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I dont think shiva ever actually tempered anyone. She actually used the same kind of transformation the Ascians used, like elidibus being the OG warrior of light or Hermes with with dungeon boss form. Yasyle secretly mastered this power before the devs wrote / revealed this plot power to us. The only difference is she needed to get the power externally which limited her , as opposed to the asians who have tons of aether and creation magics.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

I dont think shiva ever actually tempered anyone. She actually used the same kind of transformation the Ascians used, like elidibus being the OG warrior of light or Hermes with with dungeon boss form. Yasyle secretly mastered this power before the devs wrote / revealed this plot power to us. The only difference is she needed to get the power externally which limited her , as opposed to the asians who have tons of aether and creation magics.

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The script in post-ARR (and possibly still into Heavensward) definitely pointed towards her "heretics" behaving in a similar way to the tempered thralls of the other primals, which IIRC was what tipped us off to it being something particularly concerning in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The script in post-ARR (and possibly still into Heavensward) definitely pointed towards her "heretics" behaving in a similar way to the tempered thralls of the other primals, which IIRC was what tipped us off to it being something particularly concerning in the first place.

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But the script of the Firmament confirms that even the most far-gone were apparently lucid, so apparently not.

I think they were 'just' zealots. If tempering turns people into zealots, what's the difference between a tempered one and a regular one?