monk vs garuda

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

what about DRG vs Garuda? should work also.

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That's part of the strategy, using DRG's Ring of Talons to help kill plumes.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

what about DRG vs Garuda? should work also.

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Of course, quite well in fact. I posted some of my impressions as DRG vs Garuda on this thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post679648 The parser Logs are from fights BEFORE i killed her for the first time, but the kill parser looked almost the same. On monday we got our firstkill inluding speedrun with a setup of: 1x WHM, 1x DRG, 2x BRD, 2x BLM, 2x WAR

I think the DRG has better AOE capabilities and longer range then MNK as, thats especially usefull on this fight. First phase i only dps'ed on Garuda, ignoring the plumes tho, as the BLMs did. Second to third phases i nuked the plumes aswell, when they spawned.

Monk is great against the Garuda but not so much the Plumes. From what I've seen, using the elemental fists drastically drops your damage on the plumes as it converts your damage to an elemental type. Not only that but we've only got one AoE on a 40 second recast.

It's not MNK's job to kill the plumes, we'd have to turn fists of fire down for that (you don't expect BLMs to kill the plume either, them being resistant to magic). Other classes should be doing this, 1vs1 is what Monks are best at. People are just afraid of replacing one of their BLMs with a MNK because "it's less stable" "not being done that way" or "MNK is not useful in this".

Actually, MNK is great on her clone bc, with fists up, it damages her. It really is a nice fight for MNK ^^

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

The debuffs probably do land, just run out too fast. From what I've saw on mini-Garuda (have yet to go into hard mode), Garuda doesn't move as chaotically as Moogles, so our range isn't a problem. And we take less damage if we happen to land on the wrong side of Garuda's attacks. BLMs don't really have an advantage there since the attack hits no matter how far away you are and it's faster to change sides if you're close to her. IDK if the BLMs I was were not giving their best, but I had to slow down a few times because I just kept stealing hate from the WAR.

I do think there will be other setups after her Aerial Blast exploit is patched. (Which should be... today?)

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Garuda is a fickle mistress and will turn on a dime at the slightest movement of the tank ;p

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

It's not MNK's job to kill the plumes, we'd have to turn fists of fire down for that (you don't expect BLMs to kill the plume either, them being resistant to magic). Other classes should be doing this, 1vs1 is what Monks are best at. People are just afraid of replacing one of their BLMs with a MNK because "it's less stable" "not being done that way" or "MNK is not useful in this".

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I agree, that's actually the same conclusion I came to with a group of friends. We figure BLM and MNK play roughly the same role and are mostly interchangeable in that fight. Other physical DDs can handle the plumes, that's what they're best at.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Garuda is a fickle mistress and will turn on a dime at the slightest movement of the tank ;p

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And again, this is overemphasized. That's like arguing BLMs will run out of MP and will have to rest, even with convert, so they are useless toward the end of the fight.

Even should I miss one skill, I have 2 other combos to fall back upon, and if those are on cooldown, you still have 2 AA boost skills (one being 15 min cd) + invigorate to get your TP to 3k pretty fast and still deal damage.

As I already said, her movement is nowhere near as chaotic as moogles, which makes it even easier.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

And again, this is overemphasized. That's like arguing BLMs will run out of MP and will have to rest, even with convert, so they are useless toward the end of the fight.

Even should I miss one skill, I have 2 other combos to fall back upon, and if those are on cooldown, you still have 2 AA boost skills (one being 15 min cd) + invigorate to get your TP to 3k pretty fast and still deal damage.

As I already said, her movement is nowhere near as chaotic as moogles, which makes it even easier.

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I wasnt emphasizing that you shouldn't take a monk, I'm all for it. You stated you havent done big garuda and it seemed like she didnt move around as much as moogles (would seem that way when the fight lasts a fraction of the time as the big one). I was simply informing you she does move a lot because the tank is moving a lot since you where uninformed. That IMO still isnt a reason not to take monk, monk is fine so stop being so defensive.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

And again, this is overemphasized. That's like arguing BLMs will run out of MP and will have to rest, even with convert, so they are useless toward the end of the fight.

Even should I miss one skill, I have 2 other combos to fall back upon, and if those are on cooldown, you still have 2 AA boost skills (one being 15 min cd) + invigorate to get your TP to 3k pretty fast and still deal damage.

As I already said, her movement is nowhere near as chaotic as moogles, which makes it even easier.

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You should actually be doing hard mode so your opinions reflect what everyone else is talking about. Your talking about easy mode and everyone else is talking about hard mode, two really different things. It's really gonna get confusing when your discussing strat on two different fights.