It depends what the time between summons is being used for. The new trance abilities where we do attacks based on the summon’s elements fit perfectly for the job. Dots however were a snoozefest and were sorely out of place. A summoner’s main damage should come from summon magic (or the trance abilities linked to them).Quote:
Originally Posted by RicaRuin
There is little to engage with in this post but it has already been stated that as long as the rework goes well from a damage balance perspective, that summoner will proceed to lose its raise spell in 7.0. So we can focus on actually summoning instead! What a concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
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10-22-2021, 11:54 PMaveyond-dreams
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10-23-2021, 01:17 AMCKNovelMay I have the source on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams
Apologies, but I genuinely have no recollection of that statement.
It was stated that "despite many debates, we did decide to keep resurrection".
Even looking at Larryzaur interview nothing is mentioned about it even as Larryzaur said "Thank you for keeping resurrection". -
10-23-2021, 02:01 AMKuwabara42
I am gonna miss the DoTs though, since Affliction is my favorite class spec in WoW. That was what drew me to Summoner when I first started FFXIV during SB however now that they are going fully in on the summoning aspect of the Job I welcome it with open arms.
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10-23-2021, 02:43 AMItMeI asked about this in another thread, and was linked to a reddit discussion about an interview with no sauce:Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
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10-23-2021, 05:20 AMRolder50
Imagine being excited for summons that do even less then they did before. Can’t wait for summon 1 2 1 2 1 2 summon 1 2 1 2 1 2 rotation!
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10-23-2021, 05:27 AMBrandedblade
Ah, the classic "What is Summoner's Identity in this Game?" Debate, glad to see some appreciation for the classics around here.
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10-23-2021, 07:09 AMGrimoire-MThe hilarious part is SE literally built in lockouts so you wouldn’t see they still ghost when you try resummoning so they still will if you have any downtime at all. Attunements gatekeep you from back to back summoning the Egi/Avatars and Bahamut/Phoenix don’t grant you them until you let their durations expire. So the only spot you can ghost is when you try to get a single Summon into a Demi Summon post-jump-phase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolder50
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10-23-2021, 07:45 AMChazNatlo
So I've made no secret that I think DOTs are fundamentally boring. However, I don't think that having them in the summoner was some fundamental break with the core design philosophy of the class. People keep comparing how the current Summoner plays to the classic games... like they said, in the classic games, if you could summon Bahamut, you summoned Bahamut. (Or Knights of the Round, or Eden or...) So if we took the classic gameplay loop, the proper way to build a Summoner would be to have this rotation: Bahamut>Bahamut>Bahamut>Bahamut>Ether>Bahamut>Bahamut.
Again, DOTs are boring, but they did need to flesh out the Job some to make it work in a more active system. I think the logic is that with DOTs you could spend more time commanding your pet, so honestly the odd spell out is actually Ruin (Though obviously more time to command your pet means more time for it's AI to mess things up).
TL : DR: DOTs kindof suck, but the reason they suck had nothing to do with job identity. -
10-23-2021, 08:20 AMJirahI mean MCH is popular and it’s just 1-2-3 with 1-1-1-1 can you blame emQuote:
Originally Posted by Rolder50
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10-23-2021, 08:37 AMDyvidI've lost a lot of excitement for Endwalker because of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolder50