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Originally Posted by Payadopa

I disagree. It's normal to be new at one point or another and other players should be accommodating and not telling them to play someplace else with AI before allowed to play with others. A very backwards logic for an MMO.

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Who’s saying they have to play with ai? Don’t strawman the discussion

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

There are several threads talking about this already. Trusts are pretty good for afking though (apparently), I'll give them that.

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Sorry, I didn't see anything about trusts on the first or second page.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Who’s saying they have to play with ai? Don’t strawman the discussion

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You said not unlock roulettes just because they completed it with a trust, so im not sure what else you could mean?

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

rather on the fence on this one.

sure, being able to essentially "solo" everything with a trust would be nice I guess, at that point makes it a single player game. I mean, I do get it, people are unpredictable and have varying skill levels, and will never complain if you want to either avoid tanking or healing.

but what does it actually teach you about playing well (or better) with others?

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As long as Roulettes are not tied to Trusts, people will still play with other people... at least until they get their Roulette rewards. Roulettes are a great way to keep group content relevant. Trusts are a great way to learn a dungeon or a new class/job at your own pace. I don't see Trusts replacing Roulettes. Players will still want the rewards of Tomestones that you can't get from Trusts.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

Sorry, I didn't see anything about trusts on the first or second page.

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To me, it's a very similar conversation as several threads, with a trust on top.

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Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume

You said not unlock roulettes just because they completed it with a trust, so im not sure what else you could mean?

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I don't understand what's confusing.

- Kolaina is suggesting if you choose to play with trust first, you should have to queue directly for it (play with actual players) before it unlocks in your roulette. Not your Duty Finder, your Roulette.
- What Payadopa is suggesting is that Kolaina is saying you have to play with Trust first before you can play with players.

It's pretty simple. Playing with others players is not locked out for you in any circumstance. You don't have to do one or the other first, only that you have to direct queue for it with other players before you can earn bonuses through roulette.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

Clear it with a group before being tossed in roulette with others

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Well, what did you mean then? What is that 'group' you're talking about before 'being tossed' in a roulette with others?

And try not to throw around buzzwords like strawman or toxic. Last time I checked this isn't Twitter.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Well, what did you mean then? What is that 'group' you're talking about before 'being tossed' in a roulette with others?

And try not to throw around buzzwords like strawman or toxic. Last time I checked this isn't Twitter.

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Holy crap. I don’t use toxic for one. For 2, strawman is not a buzzword. You’re saying I’m suggesting something I didn’t. So either you’re strawmanning or you misread. Pick 1

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Well, what did you mean then? What is that 'group' you're talking about before 'being tossed' in a roulette with others?

And try not to throw around buzzwords like strawman or toxic. Last time I checked this isn't Twitter.

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Apparently a very real form of logical fallacy is now a "buzzword".

It's already stated in my previous post that you said Kolaina said it's required to play with trusts. No where in any of Kolaina's posts did they say that you have to play with trusts.
The "group" they are referring to is real people, which you would have to directly queue for. /sigh

I'd love that, long as they keep it slower than running with players so it doesn't make queue times suffer
Love running dungeons with the scions and friends