PVP is not that bad.

the problem with PvP is that it's side content that a majority of the community actively avoids because the community is more for story/crafting/dressup then anything else, so it doesn't matter how "decent" the content really is.

Most of you just do not know how fun pvp used to be before the Stormblood changes. At least i played nothing else till they decided to listen to the people saying it is to hard. We had Games from 9 am till 4 am, pretty much all Day, especially when Feast became a thing. I remember how much fun i had doing pvp with Friends in premades. Mostly in Frontlines. Well, all we have left on the Frontline part is a mass BG with Characters that are balanced towards a 4v4 ranked mode that is only on for the first few weeks of its Season. Yes, Feast also died down a while after its Season start back then, but Frontlines pretty much opened all day.

Thanks to the vocal minority for ruining a Game Mode you did not even play, now they got their Wish and the result is a Moba with 5-10 skills that opens only at primetime.

I play other Stuff now on the side to have an appropiate pvp Experience.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

No, it's absolutely horrifying. WoW's PvP has been neglected content for like 5 years, and it's still better than what FFXIV has to offer. They should just remove PvP entirely for the miniscule effort that is put into it.

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Er, WoW's pvp hasn't been neglected though? They have whole balance changes that only effect pvp, and make actual gear for it still rather than just one cosmetic once in a blue moon, as well as having tournaments.

PvP itself ain't bad.
The Ladderboard and reward structure on the other hand.
Most people don't even care about it once they find how the pvp is more about grinding than anything else, and the chances of getting something out of it are slime if non-existent.

Thus PvP became the meme content of this game, a recurrent joke - Like being designed from the mentality of hiper competitiveness on a community that doesn't exactly align with that profile.


It wanted to be an E-sport... Totally in touch with what the community of XIV wants.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

FFXIV's PvP isn't the best, but it's about the only content in the game - other than HoH and POTD - that is genuinely different each time I run it.

I've done a lot of PvP over the years and wish it received more attention, more rewards and less temporary content.

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^This. It's fun to run FL to burn time but I'm under no illusions as to its imperfections. I miss the old 24 man FL in all honesty, which would be better now with enforced freelancer...

Zelpha and Asmondgold make a video talking about it...suddenly its a topic on the Forums.
Like Clockwork.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Most of you just do not know how fun pvp used to be before the Stormblood changes. At least i played nothing else till they decided to listen to the people saying it is to hard. We had Games from 9 am till 4 am, pretty much all Day, especially when Feast became a thing. I remember how much fun i had doing pvp with Friends in premades. Mostly in Frontlines. Well, all we have left on the Frontline part is a mass BG with Characters that are balanced towards a 4v4 ranked mode that is only on for the first few weeks of its Season. Yes, Feast also died down a while after its Season start back then, but Frontlines pretty much opened all day.

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It would be a premade abuser that described pre-Stormblood Frontlines as "fun." It would be "fun" for the 6 to 8 players in the premade who could focus kill anyone they chose to the point that matches crashed from 72 players per match to 24 players per match.

It wasn't fun to be on the opposite side of you and your friends when you might be the only side with healers.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Zelpha and Asmondgold make a video talking about it...suddenly its a topic on the Forums.
Like Clockwork.

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So you saying you keep up with them? I just saw the video someone linked in it. Pvp has been talked about before they even started talking about it. But hey, if Asmon also talking about it. Might be hope for change in it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

FFXIV's PvP isn't the best, but it's about the only content in the game - other than HoH and POTD - that is genuinely different each time I run it.

I've done a lot of PvP over the years and wish it received more attention, more rewards and less temporary content.

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This game definitely needs more non-linear content, or content that lasts in general. PvP could be really good, I don't think SE really has a set direction for it. I'd like to see more investment from SE for sure. Hopefully that new small scale mode in EW is decent.

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Originally Posted by znushu

the problem with PvP is that it's side content that a majority of the community actively avoids because the community is more for story/crafting/dressup then anything else, so it doesn't matter how "decent" the content really is.

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Thats just an indication of how popular....or more to the point, how unpopular..it is.

If no one wants to do it, then thats the playerbase decision.