the system of the feast is ridiculous

The Feast needs to be entirely scrapped.
Along with Rival Wings.

All their rewards/achievements put into the Frontlines.
All PvP Resources should be put into making more and more interesting Frontlines. More participants, more enviromental mechanics. Think of WvWvW in GW2. Maps large enough so you can both Zerg your stay or Roam your stay, and progressing achievements or feat achievements, like: Kill 5k people or kill 100 people with falling/enviromental damage, etc. And link all PvP content there is to that.

This game just cannot handle small PvP, is not fun, is not engaging and only rewarding 100 players per datacenter is not worth it (and wont even even if it were 1000).

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Originally Posted by Malephyka

you are wrong to a large extent, the macros used to make a strategy are worthless if you always join 1-2 people who have just unlocked the feast or if you join a person who is moving up in class and does not know those mechanics. So that is useless. This pvp is useless if you cannot be with people in voice chat / or with chat enabled / or with friends and in a team. It makes no sense how big RNG it has

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It isnt about RNG. Feast in its current state is all about dry calculations and taking risks on hoping that your focus target or the enemy heaker breaks under the pressure.

Most importantly, dont expect to get carried in Feast like People do in the rest of the content of FFXIV You either carry your own weight or you see yourself ou.

Also, your statement about me informing you, as well as People interested, being useless, is even more useless than the Macros provided by Squeenix. They are vy no means good, but that is all we can currently work and agree with until it gets changed.

yeah the ladder is pretty awful. they should adopt a wow-style ranking system, where reaching a certain threshhold will net you prizes

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Originally Posted by Malephyka

you are wrong to a large extent, the macros used to make a strategy are worthless if you always join 1-2 people who have just unlocked the feast or if you join a person who is moving up in class and does not know those mechanics. So that is useless. This pvp is useless if you cannot be with people in voice chat / or with chat enabled / or with friends and in a team. It makes no sense how big RNG it has

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Again the way it is now is due to the cesspool of toxicity that it used to be. There used to be chat. But then the devs were made aware of the behavior and took out the chat. So, unless you make a team and use voice chat you have to quickly adapt to what players have come up with in regards to strategy. I'm surprised people didn't research it. Even before the changes the devs made to the Feast the pvp in the game was crap. There's a reason why many in the player base just skip the pvp skill changes as it's not a high focus for the devs.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

The Feast needs to be entirely scrapped. Along with Rival Wings

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I agree with Feast being reworked but not Rival Wings, I actually have a lot of fun and find it unique enough as a game mode that it stands out more than the others. As for Feast it's had some serious issues back in HW where myself used to do it, got up to plat but ques were dead unless it was late at night due to win traders and such (it's still an issue now but that's another topic).

They need to start from the ground up for Feast as for ideas I don't really have any, but I like your idea with stuff like WvWvW because I miss that a lot and I loved GW2 as a game purely based for my PvP needs. I don't find 14s PvP offensive, other then the feast but I love the Frontlines and wish it was popping more since que times are abysmal since people dislike PvP, and that's fine, just wish we had an event like Garo to incentivize PvP.

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Originally Posted by Awful

I agree with Feast being reworked but not Rival Wings, I actually have a lot of fun and find it unique enough as a game mode that it stands out more than the others. As for Feast it's had some serious issues back in HW where myself used to do it, got up to plat but ques were dead unless it was late at night due to win traders and such (it's still an issue now but that's another topic).

They need to start from the ground up for Feast as for ideas I don't really have any, but I like your idea with stuff like WvWvW because I miss that a lot and I loved GW2 as a game purely based for my PvP needs. I don't find 14s PvP offensive, other then the feast but I love the Frontlines and wish it was popping more since que times are abysmal since people dislike PvP, and that's fine, just wish we had an event like Garo to incentivize PvP.

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I actually do like Rival Wings.
But just as The Feast, is not rewarding, not enough for the Queue to move on it's own. I know there are discords doing that content, but im a solo player, i embrace random encounters, i cannot be bothered to do content at a certain time, during a certain hour, for a limited time.

I want to get my achievements, mounts, drops, whatever at MY pace, during MY time, for MY skills or dedication: Not by participating in community, not by participating in limited time events like seasonal ladderboards or things like the restoration of Ishgard. That kind of content is simply my bane.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

The Feast itself is complete garbage. I cannot understand how this development team can so clearly pour so much effort into the majority of the content in this game, and yet leave a major component like PvP in a permanent state of disfunction. Why even have PvP at all if you aren't going to keep it at least moderately engaging?

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They clearly don't feel like PvP IS a major component in this game. It's more of a side thing, like Gold Saucer, and frankly Gold Saucer gets more attention.

The actual problem Feast (and PvP as a whole) has had for a long time is insufficient queuing population. Many of the flaws in the current system is due to lacking a critical mass of pvpers. When you only have about 150 pvpers per datacenter competing to be ranked with at most 10 queuing at a time, you end up with a situation where pvpers can compete for a few weeks until they get a decently high place and then they would stop queuing and would stay a ranker until the season is over. Win trading is also only possible due to the limit queuing population: Win trading is only possible if you can insure that you can be matched up with the same party.

If the total population per datacenter competing for rankings in the Feast each season was 300 or more, pvpers would be forced to nearly constantly pvp in order to maintain their position in the ranking, and if the constant queuing population was at least 30 pvpers win trading would not be viable.

Hopefully the influx of new players will increase the pvp population enough that the current season will be more enjoyable and fair to those who don't try to game the system.

Win trading would also not be viable if the top 100 was scrapped altogether and there were just seasonal achievement rewards.

Most people don't want to pvp all day just to maintain their position in a top 100 so of course nobody does it.

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Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau

I actually do like Rival Wings.
But just as The Feast, is not rewarding, not enough for the Queue to move on it's own. I know there are discords doing that content, but im a solo player, i embrace random encounters, i cannot be bothered to do content at a certain time, during a certain hour, for a limited time.

I want to get my achievements, mounts, drops, whatever at MY pace, during MY time, for MY skills or dedication: Not by participating in community, not by participating in limited time events like seasonal ladderboards or things like the restoration of Ishgard. That kind of content is simply my bane.

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They don’t need to rework the Feast or RW. What they need to do instead is add a separate roulette for each of them. The only reason that any of the Frontlines maps pops is because of the daily roulette.

By the way, Frontlines is a much worse game mode than RW or Feast in my opinion - 1v1v1 is always much more RNG in terms of who wins than a 1v1 where the better team will almost always win. You could be winning in a Frontlines match and then suddenly get screwed because one of the other teams decides to give up on winning and drag you down with them.