I figured out why I stopped being a Healer. It was the harassment.

Yeah I've seen it too back before they ruined SCH and turned it into a 1-dps spell, 1-dot mindless healbot. I think it's the crowd coming from other games still grinding up through the story tbh...
But, for whatever reason people in that range can be both demanding and toxic. Folk tend to forget a human is on the other side of that keyboard, and people don't need to be mistreated when they're trying to disengage from reality and stress for a bit while playing a video game.

"But...nobody died... :p" --- Is what I'd retort if I'm feeling like to, otherwise silence is my way.

Fun aside, like ItMe & somebody else who said a similar line before in other thread (I forgot who): healer is such a thankless job. Sorry to hear your terrible experience. Being a main healer, such occasion is rather uncommon on higher lv content compared to... say... ARR dungeons. At least in my case.

Hide chat...duh

As a healer I almost never got harassed (more on lines in savage and EX and I was a DPS) one time they just kicked me after my Ilvl being too low and unable to heal them thru the damage which honestly was just.

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Originally Posted by NYCLouisGamer

Nobody was dying and in fact, nobody's health dipped below 40% at any time.

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This I feel is THE most important point. As long as the party aren't struggling to stay alive then the rest is for you to freely DPS to your heart's content. Your primary role is to keep people alive, your secondary role is to contribute to overall DPS. The secondary role is not wholly important for most content but can make things go quicker/smoother. So long as you're achieving your primary role before your secondary role, then you're doing it right. The game is scripted, the damage is predictable and people don't need to 100% health all the time, they just need to be alive.

Sadly people are sometimes wrong. I recall getting Halatali and having a DPS drop, I said "let's continue I can help DPS" and they resisted and argued healers shouldn't DPS. We ended up doing the whole dungeon without a second DPS and I ignored them and DPS'd between heals, nobody died, it was quicker than it could have been and they didn't like my "I told you so" (this was back in ARR when the debate whether healers should DPS or not was more prevalent)

But healing in general can sometimes be thankless because your best healing will be done when everybody else is failing and everything is falling apart and you could have carried a suicidal group by a hair, but it's rare they'll thank the healer for the miracle because they don't necessarily see the feat you just pulled, they just see a failing party, I mean sometimes they do - I make sure I do when I've witnessed it, but you'll feel pride in those carries regardless (and probably frustration).

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Originally Posted by NYCLouisGamer

Blablabla I'll stop playing healer

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I will also have to post when I stop playing a job, just to get the approval of the forum community.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

This I feel is THE most important point. As long as the party aren't struggling to stay alive then the rest is for you to freely DPS to your heart's content. Your primary role is to keep people alive, your secondary role is to contribute to overall DPS. The secondary role is not wholly important for most content but can make things go quicker/smoother. So long as you're achieving your primary role before your secondary role, then you're doing it right. The game is scripted, the damage is predictable and people don't need to 100% health all the time, they just need to be alive.

Sadly people are sometimes wrong. I recall getting Halatali and having a DPS drop, I said "let's continue I can help DPS" and they resisted and argued healers shouldn't DPS. We ended up doing the whole dungeon without a second DPS and I ignored them and DPS'd between heals, nobody died, it was quicker than it could have been and they didn't like my "I told you so" (this was back in ARR when the debate whether healers should DPS or not was more prevalent)

But healing in general can sometimes be thankless because your best healing will be done when everybody else is failing and everything is falling apart and you could have carried a suicidal group by a hair, but it's rare they'll thank the healer for the miracle because they don't necessarily see the feat you just pulled, they just see a failing party, I mean sometimes they do - I make sure I do when I've witnessed it, but you'll feel pride in those carries regardless (and probably frustration).

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This. You have some ungreatful people who you think will come you they dont. I been in a grand cosmos where all 3 was new I explain mechs they still die like dps and tank eating vurns caude they dont move from the tetter boss does that if your too close he hurts more and adds vurn. Tank fails to migi and gets kill eventually to too much vurn as well as bad and I in noct ty god was able to survive his tb and pick up all the team. No thanks and coms in the end yet I stop a wipe. I think they thought maybe I was to die too but nah an example of how rock the cassaba shields can be. Believe it or not had that in yojimbo fight too everyone cept me die being new to it get hit by them circle ball had to tank dps fill bar up and lb 3 all 7 peeps landin me all 7 comms

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Originally Posted by Keramory

If you run into it again, be firm or ignore them. I have no problem telling a tank I don't want to hear their nonsense unless they die. My job is to ensure the party lives and the vast majority of my time in a dungeon is to DPS when not curing. Can't say I ever get kicked as a reply to that. Just dont sit there not dps'ing if you're going to do that, because you'll come off as lazy and they might kick you.

Edit- Before this becomes a debate, I'm actually not a huge advocate for healers DPSing if their uncomfortable doing it. It's just something I prefer to do myself.

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I have been asking for tanks to get hit harder since the beginning of shadowbringers. The game has found a perfect balance of hate and agro, and now it's time for the tanks and healers to find a perfect balance.

If the tank is getting hit like a truck then I need to focus and keep them alive, and if a silly DPS get's wiped due to stupidity then I have a challenge now of rezzing the DPS and keep the tank alive while working through my MP reserves.

I will most likely DPS LESS when I have to focus on healing, but then it's up to the dev team to tune the fights with healer DPS not being factored in. If you get a good team and amazing healers then you will find they have time to DPS.

I learned to heal first before I DPSed on my AST. DPS is just something to do as party members HP's begin to fall. Healer DPS should NOT be a make or break requirement when doing high end content. If the content is balanced right and the DPS are full filling their rotation, tank is mitigating, healer is healing then I don't understand the issue. A tank is to busy trying to stay alive to worry about his damage, a healer is to busy keeping others alive to worry about their damage, and I think it's time that the burden fall DIRECTLY on the DPS shoulders. If we meet enrage then it should be the DPS fault. If a tank dies they didn't mitigate. If a raidwide AOE wipes out 3 parties members due to low HP that's the healers fault.

This whole idea that every job is a DPS is just silly...if I want to contribute to the party by keeping others alive...then that's what I do. If that's the case then the OP would have rolled a DPS in the first place and never looked back. Why put yourself through all this BS explained in the forums if my soul reason for healing is to DPS first and heal 2nd. I don't get it. I only DPS when I feel comfortable with party HP, and if anyone argues "You need to DPS to AST!" I ignore them and just toss out a gravity every once in a while when I feel like it. I'm not lazy....I just don't think healers should be the final deciding factor when killing trash.

If SE keeps up this whole idea healers are DPS with healing skills....then you will start to see even more people leave healing roles for DPS roles. It's not worth the effort and frustration. I don't main heal....but I'm sure glad there are some out there that do.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

I have been asking for tanks to get hit harder since the beginning of shadowbringers. The game has found a perfect balance of hate and agro, and now it's time for the tanks and healers to find a perfect balance.

If the tank is getting hit like a truck then I need to focus and keep them alive, and if a silly DPS get's wiped due to stupidity then I have a challenge now of rezzing the DPS and keep the tank alive while working through my MP reserves.

I will most likely DPS LESS when I have to focus on healing, but then it's up to the dev team to tune the fights with healer DPS not being factored in. If you get a good team and amazing healers then you will find they have time to DPS.

I learned to heal first before I DPSed on my AST. DPS is just something to do as party members HP's begin to fall. Healer DPS should NOT be a make or break requirement when doing high end content. If the content is balanced right and the DPS are full filling their rotation, tank is mitigating, healer is healing then I don't understand the issue. A tank is to busy trying to stay alive to worry about his damage, a healer is to busy keeping others alive to worry about their damage, and I think it's time that the burden fall DIRECTLY on the DPS shoulders. If we meet enrage then it should be the DPS fault. If a tank dies they didn't mitigate. If a raidwide AOE wipes out 3 parties members due to low HP that's the healers fault.

This whole idea that every job is a DPS is just silly...if I want to contribute to the party by keeping others alive...then that's what I do. If that's the case then the OP would have rolled a DPS in the first place and never looked back. Why put yourself through all this BS explained in the forums if my soul reason for healing is to DPS first and heal 2nd. I don't get it. I only DPS when I feel comfortable with party HP, and if anyone argues "You need to DPS to AST!" I ignore them and just toss out a gravity every once in a while when I feel like it. I'm not lazy....I just don't think healers should be the final deciding factor when killing trash.

If SE keeps up this whole idea healers are DPS with healing skills....then you will start to see even more people leave healing roles for DPS roles. It's not worth the effort and frustration. I don't main heal....but I'm sure glad there are some out there that do.

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You knock the ball out of the stadium friend. Could not agree more. Been trying to say all you said on every post about healer with over healing or over dpsing. Balance is key, there is a time and place for certain things. If I can like this infinite I would. please be my co healer when dc comes if your not in aether xd.

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Originally Posted by IceBlueNinja

You knock the ball out of the stadium friend. Could not agree more. Been trying to say all you said on every post about healer with over healing or over dpsing. Balance is key, there is a time and place for certain things. If I can like this infinite I would. please be my co healer when dc comes if your not in aether xd.

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Send me a friend request I'll be your PF co-healer if possible. I don't know if DPS or Tanks know this. Well I do...but that's beside the point.

Healing is incredibly stressful, and thankless. When I tank...I do EVERYTHING in my power to stay alive so the healer doesn't struggle.

- Stand in Earthly Star, Sacred Soil, Asylum best I can.
- Nascent as much as I can, Clemency when nessecary.
- Mitigations on cooldown 100% rotating uptime.
- Position myself for their benefit rather then my own.

Tanking is way less frustrating and difficult when your healer is in sync. This is incredibly important for the raid as a whole...dungeon...extreme w/e.

I like to think when I get and FC mate healing me when I tank we /nod at each other when we save each other. I don't know how many times I breathe a sigh of relief and jubilation when my healer rescues me from death when I realize to late I made a mistake.
And my healer wipes sweat from their brow when I Nascent on them, Clemency, Blackest Night when I notice they have 10% HP. They NEVER get upset when I use Clemency on them to keep them alive. If I sacrifice 4k MP to get a healer up to 75% HP while they struggle to heal with 10% HP. When you think about what it takes to get a healer up from death....it's crazy HUGE dps loss. Redmage has to sacrifice 2 GCD, SMN same, or a healer has to sacrifice swift+ressurection plus heals to get them up, and the MP dedicated to this is HUGE. Not to mention raid wide's and tank getting beat up you can see how some fights fall apart quickly. The resources getting a dead party member up are HUGE.

I understand what healers go through so I do my best as a tank to keep that stress levels down, and protect the healer ALWAYS.

When I found my static randomly and they added me to their discord server it was like they were looking for a tank forever. The healer literally could not believe how easy I was to heal, and they started downing Diamond Weapon consecutively/consistently. Some even got their mounts and the Mechadragon. Now I'm not saying I was the equalizer, but they just need a good tank that understood healers plights, which in turn pushed that static farther from enrage allowing the healers to toss out some DPS.

Endwalker MUST balance this out.
1. Tanks take more damage, More raidwide AOE (Outrage x2 is perfect example) to push healers to scramble to keep people alive.
2. Tanks will learn to mitigate smarter and efferently if #1 succeeds
3. DPS will learn to use role actions more efficiently spread through the whole fight to keep damage little bit lower.
4. DPS should be the end all to preventing enrage, if the healer is tied up, and tank is just gimp by design. Then the DPS need to play smart, avoid aoe, learn to not get greedy, and STAY ALIVE!

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

If SE keeps up this whole idea healers are DPS with healing skills....then you will start to see even more people leave healing roles for DPS roles. It's not worth the effort and frustration. I don't main heal....but I'm sure glad there are some out there that do.

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I think the issue is SE is determined in its holy quest to make the game super casual, and upping the pressure on healers is simply too much for that super casual dream. For example when the vault came out, it was actually pretty challenging as a healer to keep up with (as most were not geared yet). I remember struggling a little with it, as you'd think a healer should feel in a normal RPG. I also remember when not being a healer, our healers wiping us fairly often in vault lol. I don't think SE will ever risk that type of experience as the norm in content going forward outside of ex and savage.

To be clear, I don't agree with that mindset. Content should be on some level a little challenging at the very least. I'm just speaking for the reasoning I believe SE does what they do.