Where is your personal sacrifice threshold?

As a general rule I won't put more effort into keeping someone alive than they do. If you don't stay in my star or aren't in collective unconscious range then you've taken your life into your own hands. If a melee eats a mechanic for uptime then they'd better use bloodbath or second wind. Same for BLMs and manaward. If a tank won't pop CDs then I won't waste GCDs on them. I might keep them alive until the pack thins out a bit but I won't bother once we can survive without them.

I'll heal what is necessary, but if someone doesn't stand in range or eats avoidable damage then they'll only get one GCD heal before I let them take a time out on the floor. New players get two. Single target oGCD heals are free if I don't need them for the tank. After that I'll leave them down until swiftcast or lightspeed are available. Downtime GCDs are free.

I make exceptions for players who deal more damage than me and will happily trade my GCDs for theirs.

I don't have one. If someone keeps dying then they're just waiting on my swiftcast cd at that point. if more then one person's dead then i'll consider hard-casting. I seriously cannot remember the last time, if ever, i had a player so eager to die I wanted to give up on them.

If you've hit the 50% dps penalty I do more dps then you do as a healer.

So you're either:

A) Waiting on my swiftcast to come up before you do
B) Staying on the floor because you clearly don't care about the mechanics. So why should I care about you?

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

They should feel honored I even gave them a heal, for each time I have to heal them distracts me from the Glaring chain casts that must be maintained.

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I will lol about this all day.

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

but before I left the tank started to complain why I would even dare to kick someone while the other two moaned ”hunny we don't have all our skills yet" or something along those lines and I'm thinking to myself...

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Next time, I BEG of you... Please take a screenshot! :D

I feel like most of the things mentioned already go into determining where that line is (e.g. attitude, playing the job well, first timer/sprout) something big that wasn't mentioned is self sustain. DPS that use Second Wind/Bloodbath definitely shoot up the list for me. If they're trying, then I'll try.

Overall, it's a question of whether or not the person is "worth it" in the course of the fight and not getting caught in a sunk cost fallacy (where you think that you _have_ to rez them for the 3rd time because you already sunk 5000MP into making sure they were alive), with +/-'s based off of the things mentioned before.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

I feel like most of the things mentioned already go into determining where that line is (e.g. attitude, playing the job well, first timer/sprout) something big that wasn't mentioned is self sustain. DPS that use Second Wind/Bloodbath definitely shoot up the list for me. If they're trying, then I'll try.

Overall, it's a question of whether or not the person is "worth it" in the course of the fight and not getting caught in a sunk cost fallacy (where you think that you _have_ to rez them for the 3rd time because you already sunk 5000MP into making sure they were alive), with +/-'s based off of the things mentioned before.

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I look at it this way... if Swiftcast is off of cooldown I can rez them on WHM cause WHM has basically infinite mana... otherwise if they're continually juggling armed grenades wearing armor of explodium then they can stay dead because at that point it's a better mana investment to just keep casting Glare than rez them.

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Originally Posted by LeonKeyh

I feel like most of the things mentioned already go into determining where that line is (e.g. attitude, playing the job well, first timer/sprout) something big that wasn't mentioned is self sustain. DPS that use Second Wind/Bloodbath definitely shoot up the list for me. If they're trying, then I'll try.

Overall, it's a question of whether or not the person is "worth it" in the course of the fight and not getting caught in a sunk cost fallacy (where you think that you _have_ to rez them for the 3rd time because you already sunk 5000MP into making sure they were alive), with +/-'s based off of the things mentioned before.

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I don't believe I've ever gone into that method of thinking once I got better at healing. Sunk cost has no bearing on "is this person worth my mana or just gonna be the group Floor Tank all encounter?" since the job entails watching over 3-7 people overall, not just the weakest link that we now have to treat like a bad babysitting job.

Like the others have stated: If they aren't trying, then I have better things to do with my mana than blow another quarter of it on their sorry self just to have them eat more avoidable damage.

And in my place as a scholar, I will very much so leave their lives in the hands of Selene/Lily if the smn/rdm/co-healer does raise them after giving them 1 adlo, crit or not just as a courtesy buffer for the next unavoidable raid hit or scripted attack. I'm fine with using Physick on the others if no other emergency heals are needed for a while, which they aren't in most raids.

People don't learn on the floor.

I scrape everybody up.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

People don't learn on the floor.

I scrape everybody up.

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A lot of people just don't learn at all.