Very Upset at Obsolete Android's Aiming/Scouting

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

It’s because they were cramming two characters into one piece. The male top is Jackass, and the female top is Anemone. Both characters are female, but I guess they probably tried to figure out which would be more appealing to which players and came to that conclusion. In good faith, I think it was less about making sure the goods are on display than “what kind of aesthetic would female characters enjoy more”. I’m sorry that it wasn’t the conclusion you wanted. It really sucks when the thing you desperately want is just out of your reach. :/

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This does make sense, and I appreciate the explanation. It'd be easier to assume SE acted in good faith if they didn't seem to routinely disregard MCH in aesthetics, lore, and mechanics, but that's a completely different issue.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Paladins can glamour the shield because it's a separate piece. The box is part of the gun item and could only be glamoured over if you have a specific gun that doesn't include the box - but you won't get that because lore-wise it's a separate item that we need to make the guns function in the first place.

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Even then, it's the exact same copy/pasted box. RDMs always have a Focus, but it changes on different Rapiers. The same goes for the two part weapon on ASTs. At least -something- in that regard would be nice.

I kind of wish they'd say, made Anenome's set for one, and the striking set Jackass etc, instead of the gender split.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

I kind of wish they'd say, made Anenome's set for one, and the striking set Jackass etc, instead of the gender split.

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Yeah, it was also really strange how they made fending and maiming gear sets generic NieR-inspired stuff similar to what we've seen before in the other 2 raids, while the other classes get gear modeled after actual characters. I was hoping for something from the original NieR or even Drakengard to show up, but oh well.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Yeah, it was also really strange how they made fending and maiming gear sets generic NieR-inspired stuff similar to what we've seen before in the other 2 raids, while the other classes get gear modeled after actual characters. I was hoping for something from the original NieR or even Drakengard to show up, but oh well.

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Part of me was wondering if Kaine's outfit would have been in for the scouting set but I think that's probably a bit much lol. Then again we have had some skimpy outfits in the game before.

It would have been nice to at least have say Nier's actual outfit for tanking/maiming and not another generic yorha set.

Spoilers for the first Nier since the remake is coming out soon:

I kind of wish too that we'd gotten the gowns Devola and Popola wore in their boss fight in the first Nier, but I understand them focusing on Automata instead.

Or as others have suggested, the heavier armor that 2B and others wear during the big assault section would have been nice for fending. I felt that the puppet's bunker sets in general felt very samey so anything that wasn't along the same lines as that would have been nice to get.

I understand it's cramming in two characters but my mind immediately remembers what they did to RDM af gear and go, yeah gotta make sure those bobbies sure are visible

At this point I wish they'd have a toggle similar to /visor to switch between aestherics on alot of gear.

there's quite a few pieces that look amazing on one gender but lacking on the other..

might also open up some more masculine looking healer options. without frilly cuffs and skirts...

legs for example "x of healing.. oh its a skirt... /change now it's a pair of trousers with a matching aesthetic.....

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

I wouldn't call an outfit looking different on a different gender being "genderlocking". Considering that other modern East Asian MMOs come out with genderlocked races and even genderlocked jobs, throwing a fuss over a different top feels like you're just purposefully trying to make yourself upset. Especially when you by admission don't play MCH and don't have a chocobo in this race.

Men and women in real life have different aesthetics and that carries over into the game. Some things that look good on one, don't look good on the other. Having everyone wear the same exact gender neutral clothing would be very boring.

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That's not the point with when we say we want non-genderlocked gear. We just want to be able to wear the designs that we want, then work around the different body types.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

That's not the point with when we say we want non-genderlocked gear. We just want to be able to wear the designs that we want, then work around the different body types.

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Then the dev team would have to do twice the work to make four models instead of two, and then make sure the new ones are properly proportioned for each of the races.

Knowing Square, do you honestly believe that they’d be OK with adding more modeling work for this? If faced with “make male and female versions of the same item of clothing available to each gender” or “make every item of clothing gender neutral so that people don’t feel like they’re missing out” they’d pick the second option. Which would mean for future content, no more bikini tops, no more bare chests, and no more thigh-highs.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Then the dev team would have to do twice the work to make four models instead of two, and then make sure the new ones are properly proportioned for each of the races.

Knowing Square, do you honestly believe that they’d be OK with adding more modeling work for this? If faced with “make male and female versions of the same item of clothing available to each gender” or “make every item of clothing gender neutral so that people don’t feel like they’re missing out” they’d pick the second option. Which would mean for future content, no more bikini tops, no more bare chests, and no more thigh-highs.

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Given the sheer volume of time and resources, this really ought not to be that hard of an ask, especially given that adapting one to the other is a lot less work than making two completely different textures and models from scratch, which they've already done.