Request: Please add Bozja Relic items to the Duty Roulette bonus

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And honestly this... I don't think you understand how scummy that sounds. If you actually like to help people, you wouldn't need an incentive.

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I have no issue with wanting my time compensated for. By "helping others" I meant helping other people I don't know or who aren't in my FC.

If someone in my FC asks for help with any dungeon or trial, I'm usually one of the few people who help out.

And when the next expansion drops I'll probably be running the hell out of all of these roulettes because I like to level, it's what I find enjoyment in the game.

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Originally Posted by Arkevorkhat

I would argue on the contrary that it's borderline abusive of SE to tell people who are paying sub that if they wanna progress on the brand new thing, they have to go do almost 10 year old content. ARR was a terrible expansion, and I was ecstatic to be over and done with it, because I thought I wouldn't be dragged back kicking and screaming every bloody patch.

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You already know why they do it. There's a constant influx of new players. These players need ARR content done, ensuring that there's always a section of veteran players doing the roulettes ensures that this ancient content doesn't become a stone wall for new players. Now if you're speaking of things like Relics and such, I assume the reasons are similar, but I can definitely understand that you don't want to be forced to farm say.. PotD or Crystal Tower to get things for Shadowbringers content.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

You already know why they do it. There's a constant influx of new players. These players need ARR content done, ensuring that there's always a section of veteran players doing the roulettes ensures that this ancient content doesn't become a stone wall for new players. Now if you're speaking of things like Relics and such, I assume the reasons are similar, but I can definitely understand that you don't want to be forced to farm say.. PotD or Crystal Tower to get things for Shadowbringers content.

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Well, there is some caveats to that. Even though I am super supportive of Yoshi P. and his team, one of the big areas of improvement they need to get down is that when they use old content to power some new feature, they need to revisit it and upgrade it so that it meets the standards of the new expansion. When you are no longer even using the proper rotation they push in the latest expansion when running content, something is wrong. You want all content released, including revisited content, to push and emphasize the current job and encounter design.

This is why many people do not run the older content for pre-existing rewards and why the moogle tomestone events they do yearly tend to become a thing. I already see diminishing returns on the moogle tomestones for existing players, especially those that participated in the prior two. What happened in SB is that they did a crafter push with the Foundation with the "be what you want" campaign. It was needed, but they had to take resources away from other things to pull it off and then we got hit by COVID-19 setbacks.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

Well, there is some caveats to that. Even though I am super supportive of Yoshi P. and his team, one of the big areas of improvement they need to get down is that when they use old content to power some new feature, they need to revisit it and upgrade it so that it meets the standards of the new expansion. When you are no longer even using the proper rotation they push in the latest expansion when running content, something is wrong. You want all content released, including revisited content, to push and emphasize the current job and encounter design.

This is why many people do not run the older content for pre-existing rewards and why the moogle tomestone events they do yearly tend to become a thing. I already see diminishing returns on the moogle tomestones for existing players, especially those that participated in the prior two. What happened in SB is that they did a crafter push with the Foundation with the "be what you want" campaign. It was needed, but they had to take resources away from other things to pull it off and then we got hit by COVID-19 setbacks.

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Oh definitely, it is annoying that they're constantly pushing things like CT yet make no attempts or effort to actually do some much needed QoL passes on the content. People.. myself included since I only started in June, don't even learn the mechanics of CT raids anymore because there's neither a need nor a point for the most part. People just bumrush the bosses, in particularly bad runs causing wipes and people getting annoyed because 'oh my god now we actually have to try and perform some of the mechanics as intended rather than just greed through it'. there are some exceptions off course, like Cerberus

The encounter design is inevitable for that one. The only thing I wish they would do is make sure that the rotations people use are up to par with what they are going to use at 70+. That's been a huge problem this expansion since many jobs do not have that going for them. I think people do need a way to reboot into playing a different job, and level sync does solve that issue somewhat, but the jobs could also be simpler so that people don't have to.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The encounter design is inevitable for that one. The only thing I wish they would do is make sure that the rotations people use are up to par with what they are going to use at 70+. That's been a huge problem this expansion since many jobs do not have that going for them. I think people do need a way to reboot into playing a different job, and level sync does solve that issue somewhat, but the jobs could also be simpler so that people don't have to.

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I think at least part of the problem is how many spells/abilities are tied to job quests. On top of the rework itself being a huge undertaking they'd have to go back and make sure all that stuff still makes sense/is doable and possibly have to offer some new incentives for people to actually complete them so they aren't a waste of dev time.

Also, we should probably not deviate from the original point of the thread! More variety for relic/grind weapon completion!

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I have no issue with wanting my time compensated for. By "helping others" I meant helping other people I don't know or who aren't in my FC.

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Rephrasing it doesn't really make a difference. Like I said, if you need an incentive to help people, you don't actually like helping people. Helping them is just a bonus while you get something for yourself. All I'm asking for is to call it what it is.

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Originally Posted by Arkevorkhat

I would argue on the contrary that it's borderline abusive of SE to tell people who are paying sub that if they wanna progress on the brand new thing, they have to go do almost 10 year old content. ARR was a terrible expansion, and I was ecstatic to be over and done with it, because I thought I wouldn't be dragged back kicking and screaming every bloody patch.

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As long as it's optional, I don't mind it. I think more of the rewards should have been integrated directly into Bozja, but the random chance of getting the items needed in any given engagement in there makes it kind of annoying. 100 Bozja coins could be turned in for the first tier of memories, 200 for a bitter or loathsome, 300 for a vexatious, and so forth, and combined with the random chance it would make the grind inside the zone more complete. And THEN have the optional older content outside for people who cannot stand Bozja and would, in fact, rather run Rabanastre a dozen times.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

It will literally never be hard to get into the 50/60/70 alliance raids. People will always be doing them for one reason or another. They aren't dead now and they won't be in the future.

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Really now? Is that why Ivalice raids took upwards or beyond an hour prior to this relic step? Hell, they had to nerf Orbonne into the ground because people kept leaving. Alliance has been almost entirely CT. People don't always do the others. They aren't even a required unlock for the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

And honestly this... I don't think you understand how scummy that sounds. If you actually like to help people, you wouldn't need an incentive.

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How is that in any way scummy? You can want to help people but also be compensated for your time.

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Originally Posted by MPK

I feel bad for anyone wanting them in the future. Good thing I never need relics again :)

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CLL's going to be the problem there. Even though you can progress the relic without it after that point, you're REQUIRED to run it to advance the questline to the point where the relic quest is available. Even with their added incentives, it's still sometimes difficult to fill one and complete it.

Just let me queue for it. I promise I will.