6.0 Relics and Beyond

What they need to do is promise you can get the relic through pretty much only doing roulettes.
AND THEN KEEP THAT PROMISE.

I would not be so incredibly furious if they had not broken their promise with the 5.45 relics.
I'd have just looked at things, said "Nope, there is no Shadowbringers Relic" and moved on.
Instead, I get *overjoyed* that we don't have to do the new Eureka, then *crushed* that I spent probably 120 hours or so farming up seventeen i500 relics, all for naught.

SE - please. A rational company would go back to making the ARR/HW relics that were so enjoyable, and gave us a reason to actually play the good content, help new players, etc.
But it would only take a *decent* company to not outright betray us with this switcheroo nonsense.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

ARR relic says "hi". You needed crafters, killing 100s of open world enemies, running dozens of dungeons (several of which were current content), farming the hell out of trials/EX/Savage for the light step, needing a ton of tomestones, doing around 75 treasure maps, FATE grinding, etc. Nowadays it's a bit of a grind, but doable. Back then it was heavily time gated and took MONTHS.

Note that I do agree the current step is a bit of a tedious one, but it still pales in comparison to the original ARR relics.

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As others have said, it isn't the grind that makes this worse but the execution. ARR and HW had bad steps due to overestimating how ridiculous of a slog that would be. Not to mention, you could cut the dev team some slack with ARR has they were still taping together a rushed MMO and had minimal experience under their belt.

With Shadowbringers, they deliberately set out to make an alternate path except it not only didn't address the complaints people had, it forced players who enjoyed the new content out of it to do something they likely hated. Put another way, they took player feedback and missed the mark so badly they just pissed everyone off instead of those who disliked Eureka. That's why I called it the worst iteration.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I remember in Stormblood the majority of people, not all, disliked Eureka and begged SE to not tie the Relic of the next expansion to the Eureka like content, or at the very least give us a way to do it outside the Eureka like content.

Now comes Shadowbringers and the relic is STILL tied to the Eureka like content Bozja but also has ways to get it outside Bozja. Problem is one is 100% the other is not.

I,personally, would like for Endwalker's relic to not be tied to the next Eureka/Bozja like content at all, should we get that type of content again. I think the Relic weapon should be a unique story unto it's self like the Zodiac and Anima quests, as well as be job specific in some steps; a solo fight or flashback fight or what have you.

This is just my opinion of course. I still dislike Bozja even tho I do think it's better than Eureka in places. I still don't like Lost Actions. And I hope in the future the relic weapon isn't tied to the Exploration Content in any way except maybe being one of many options of completing it.

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Perhaps if you don’t want to do the current content they could give you a relic for crafting in limsa? :)

I like relics to be tied to there own content
it makes them special instead of just some passive thing on the side.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

I like relics to be tied to there own content
it makes them special instead of just some passive thing on the side.

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The ARR and HW weapons were plenty special getting the updates through things like your normal daily roulettes and some instances of grind X or Y here and there. They were still an accomplishment you were actively working toward. They just let you do the other things you were already doing to get that progress.