Please Nerf Shield Healer Pure Heals

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Originally Posted by ItMe

As someone who runs DRK and uses Living Dead... please don't.

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If they finally get rid of Living Dead and replace it with something useful, or better yet, get rid of invulns in general, I'll consider this expansion a big step forward for tanking.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Lustrate. It's what I used to do in HW. As I am using 2.0 SCH as a point of reference, Lustrate I wouldn't expect to be nerfed into the ground.

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Ah, an important distinction. I thought you meant needs across all SCH's "pure heals."
Thanks for elaborating.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

If they finally get rid of Living Dead and replace it with something useful, or better yet, get rid of invulns in general, I'll consider this expansion a big step forward for tanking.

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I can feel the sweet, sweet kiss of a Benediction and Living Dead still kills me.
I hate it.

I could easily see this turning into direct healers healing everything. Shield healers DPS.

If you're just trading direct heal ogcds for shield ogcds, then nothing will change.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

If you're just trading direct heal ogcds for shield ogcds, then nothing will change.

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I dunno man, shields are more proactive and direct is more reactive. I def play them different.

I feel like no one's talking about how different OGCD shielding is. The main reason why Adloquium and Succor's shielding is so inconsequential when comparing it to pure healing or regens (besides potency differences) is because it also is competing with your DPS. Divine Benison, Celestial Intersection, and Seraph's shields all don't and thus actually can be valued as a form of damage negation. I feel like SCH would be such a better barrier healer if Adloquium and Succor dropped their healing and applied only shields as OGCD tools.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I feel like no one's talking about how different OGCD shielding is. The main reason why Adloquium and Succor's shielding is so inconsequential when comparing it to pure healing or regens (besides potency differences) is because it also is competing with your DPS. Divine Benison, Celestial Intersection, and Seraph's shields all don't and thus actually can be valued as a form of damage negation. I feel like SCH would be such a better barrier healer if Adloquium and Succor dropped their healing and applied only shields as OGCD tools.

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Oh my god I never (consciously) realized this.
This reframes the entire discussion for me!

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I feel like no one's talking about how different OGCD shielding is. The main reason why Adloquium and Succor's shielding is so inconsequential when comparing it to pure healing or regens (besides potency differences) is because it also is competing with your DPS. Divine Benison, Celestial Intersection, and Seraph's shields all don't and thus actually can be valued as a form of damage negation. I feel like SCH would be such a better barrier healer if Adloquium and Succor dropped their healing and applied only shields as OGCD tools.

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Extremely love this

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Originally Posted by Lyth

If they finally get rid of Living Dead and replace it with something useful, or better yet, get rid of invulns in general, I'll consider this expansion a big step forward for tanking.

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livin dead is useful
just gotta remove the death penalty so its not so much a resource vaccum

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

I feel like no one's talking about how different OGCD shielding is. The main reason why Adloquium and Succor's shielding is so inconsequential when comparing it to pure healing or regens (besides potency differences) is because it also is competing with your DPS. Divine Benison, Celestial Intersection, and Seraph's shields all don't and thus actually can be valued as a form of damage negation. I feel like SCH would be such a better barrier healer if Adloquium and Succor dropped their healing and applied only shields as OGCD tools.

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I like this suggestion and I think it has merit because our focus nowadays is more on oGCD's, so I think reversing the balance in that way sounds like it could be a principle that works. As you say it comes down to DPS and oGCD's are weaved. Moving the pure heals to GCD's would suggest you only use them when you have to. And would be more in line with how healers are played now, because although I use 2.0 as a point of reference, but in 2.0 we were more GCD focused so I think the solution of course should be an evolution of what we had made relevant existing content and balance.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Ah, an important distinction. I thought you meant needs across all SCH's "pure heals."
Thanks for elaborating.

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No problem. I've updated the main post to clarify too as I realise I didn't make clear what kind of nerfing I mean.

Scholar had to wait 5.0 to get a oGCD shield though Seraph.
I remember when I leveled it back in HW and foward, I was expecting at least one or two more oGCD shield. I remembered being almost dissapointed.
Not that its current toolkit is bad, not at all, but proper mitigation is nice and I would have glady take anything else that isn't just adlo or succor.