Discipline hand/land isn't fun - huge time sink

I enjoy gathering and crafting. You do not have to.

I don't do end game rading. I will never call for it to be abandoned by squenix.

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Originally Posted by Covenant

All aspects should be fun, for everyone.

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In a single player game, yes. In an MMO.... good luck with that. lol

I don’t find crafting/gathering fun to do either, but I’ve found motivation through house decorating. Because I know I want some item for my apt, I’m more willing to go through the effort of crafting it. At least then I feel like it’s not a complete waste of my time. I even hold off buying furniture form the market board even if I can afford it, just to not lose the will to craft. XD

Try to approach it in the same manner? Find a reason to craft/gather. Otherwise, no need to do it at all if you genuinely hate it in all aspects.

sorry OP it sounds like you have a specific idea of what constitutes end-game content for MMOs, probably born from specific other MMOs, and you're resistant to the idea that crafting or gathering can itself be an end-game activity, but at the end of the day this game is more amenable to the idea that people play for reasons outside 5 minute parsing sessions than world of warcrimes ever was

For the HQ stuff craft, the ratio of crafting time and profit has become so terrible, that it is more profitable to buy them.

Because crafting has become accessible to everyone, thanks SE for the casualisation.

I like to put my mind into autopilot after a long day of work and just gather while listening to a podcast.

I agree it is a huge time (and potential money) sink, but It's actually pretty easy once I started looking at it from another angle. I started leveling my crafter classes almost a year ago. I started CUL, ARM and BSM all at once. I quickly got myself into a rut with buying stuff on the MB and stuff and draining my bank account. I completely gave up on them after about level 30. Fast forward to about a month ago. I got to thinking to myself how stupid it was buying new armor, food, and stuff on the MB and how much money I was wasting so I decided to give crafting another go, since I don't do savage stuff as of yet and am caught up on stuff story wise.

I started off leveling my MNR and BTN to lvl 80 first. That way I could ALMOST be completely self sufficient. Sure I had to buy odds and ends here and there, but mostly if I needed it I could go gather it. Leveled ALL the crafting classes at once to level 20 then hit The Firmament! I did my crafter logs along the way and would go do their story quests when I had 3 or 4 of them "stocked up". Selling the crafting log stuff has funded my odds and ends and The Firmament (even though on Faerie it's over now) gives INSANE EXP! All my crafters are at 70 now (as of this morning) except CUL and FSH. I just started on FSH cause I didn't need it for any other class but CUL so I'm gonna hit those when I'm done with the others.

The Diadem makes it SOOOO simple. I make two circuits each with my MNR and BTN for whatever level script item I'm making, killing the crystals along the way for shards and stuff. Looked up a skybuilders crafting macro and basically put it on auto pilot while I watched You Tube! I also do the script collector items in the cities too of course for the gear and tool upgrades. Hopefully I'll have them knocked out by the end of the week in The Firmament now that I'm properly geared and melded to do the 60 and 70 scripts, cause that Pegasus mount is gonna be mine!!

TL;DR MNR/BTN to 80 first, then level crafters to 20 and hit The Firmament and hold on to your butt! Use your crafting log for sales on the MB to fund yourself.