Bots already dominate the market for shards and crystals so that wouldn't be any different. Shards/crystal drops from overworld mobs was also a system from v1 and it cause no difference in the mobs on the overworld simply because with 1 kill you could get 10 shards, making gathering shards/crystals nothing since you were drowning in them most of the time by doing nothing more than day to day play and ppl sold them for almost nothing just to be rid of them. As for the rest, I will just quote myself from another thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint
Crystals are admittedly pointless when it comes to crafting, so if they refuse to get rid of them there is no reason not to make them so plentiful that they would just be worthless for rmt to farm.Quote:
Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia
So here's a crazy idea
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11-24-2020, 07:48 PMMicahZerrshia
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11-24-2020, 10:48 PMKes13a
so, the idea is to have crafters not only have to take time to scrip grind, but also to grind for teh very things that they need to scrip grind...
its... most assuredly a crazy idea...
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11-24-2020, 11:50 PMMicahZerrshia
It all depends on the grind. You don't want to make it too easy, but you also don't want to overdo it.
We already need anywhere from 1-4 skins to make 1 piece of leather, which by itself does nothing, it's just a component of a bigger craft. The 4 skins and 1 alumen you need to make that one leather, is by most standards, fine. Add to that 7 crystals, which serve no purpose other than make it a little more final fantasy-ish (because crystals) was a really weird choice. You are more than doubling the amount of items needed in most cases for no clear reason. This has always been a weird addition to crafting in xiv.
I find resistance to this sort of thing odd. I mean, removing something that no one would even notice if it didn't exist to begin with and has no real purpose outside of adding a needless time sink and expense to something that is already a time sink and expensive takes nothing away from crafting. -
11-25-2020, 12:49 AMtdbResistance to what? I wouldn't mind at all if crafting crystals was removed. I rarely have to pay attention to them anyway. But unless I've grossly misinterpreted something, the OP's suggestion was to remove them from gathering and gardening and instead make them drop from mobs, while still keeping them necessary for crafting. If the droprates would be anything like existing crafting materials it would make them a royal pain to get when I run out. If you think crystals are currently an unnecessary grind, surely you'll agree they shouldn't be made even more of a grind.Quote:
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11-25-2020, 01:33 AMMicahZerrshiaI was referring to the comment above mine from kes13a. Not sure why you think I was targeting your comment in particular... guess direct quotes are necessary always.Quote:
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11-25-2020, 01:42 AMIlenya
Considering bots can (and do) mass kill things while underground, why would you want to give them an easier time farming things while also massively causing issues for people who just need to kill a few mobs for a quest?
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11-25-2020, 01:54 AMTyrTryHell, they're already doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilenya
Playing on an alt and I found several names that are literal gibberish like someone just rubbed their arse on their keyboard during character creation.
They would be popping in and out of existence, underground, wiping out multiple mobs.
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11-25-2020, 01:58 AMMagnedeusSure it isn't.Quote:
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11-25-2020, 02:24 AMtdbI wasn't thinking you were targeting my comment. But both kes13a's comment and the general tone of this thread is one of opposing the OP's self-admittedly crazy idea of making shards and crystals drops from the mobs. So if you find that resistance odd, it seems to me that you support the OP's idea. But then you seem to go on to say that crystals are already a needless time sink, so it seems strange that you would want to make them even more of a time sink. Is one of us misunderstanding something here?Quote:
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11-25-2020, 05:54 PMMicahZerrshiaHaving them drop from overworld mobs, like they did in v1, would not be even more of a time sink, because the flood of crystals into the market would make them so abundant that even buying them if you just crafted that much would be a non issue. This is how it was in v1. You could easily get 10 shards and 4 crystals from one mob with all kills dropping shards or crystals and you would therefore literally be swimming in shards and crystals at any given time. And you could reduced them down as well, so clusters could be made into crystals and crystals into shards. Crystals also played more into crafting and made more sense since the whole goal was to keep the elements stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by tdb
They are not like standard materials, nowadays with the crafting mini game gone, they are a completely pointless thing when you already need to grind levels, have specialized gear and the actual ingredients that make sense like bolts of cloth, the need for so many of them or even their mere existence is confusing. Like I said, its just more final fantasy-ish to incorporate crystals into something, but that doesn't mean it's a good system, esp when you sometimes need more crystals than actual components.
As of right now they are already mostly a non issue for established crafters who can buy them (from rmt mostly) in bulk, but for those starting out they are a pointless grinding roadblock. So making them easier to obtain by simply playing the game would not really have any effect on the already established crafters outside of saving them a minute amount of gil, but would make it easier for those who want to level their crafters, who would just need materials, some of which are already hard to come by, and be a hit to rmt. I do not see the bad in this.