Already Hate Novice Network

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Originally Posted by Infindox

No offense but you wasted the status.

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Returner status doesn't do anything important anyway. NN access is the primary perk.

NN really proves that this game needs a global chat channel. Like others have said, make it opt in so not everyone is beaten over the head with it when they log in and the NN can go back to what it was intended to be: a place to help newbies and returners that need to be caught back up to speed.

It is opt-in already. Sprouts have to accept and invitation from a mentor to gain access. Mentors gain access by choosing to become a mentor in the first place (i.e. that's the opt-in) and manually leaving it will prevent continued automatic access on login. I don't have personal experience with it, but I think returners have to accept the returner's bounty buff to access it.

Let's see the NN. Its an interesting place I have to say that. I have a decent experience on Faerie. But its going to boil down on the server and the time of day.

Keep in mind the NN isn't just about helping strictly in FFXIV though A Lot of people will use it as a global chat though which is fine nor should there be an expectation that its going to be strictly about FFXIV help. Also I personally haven't seen anything where a sprout or returner asks a question and gotten completely ignored since being back on Faerie and I came back last year from being on Gilgamesh for several years which way back then the NN network was pretty bad.

If you are wanting to be a mentor, nothing is stopping you from helping sprouts/returners though.

But if you want to leave and you are sprout or returner you can leave the NN network anytime. Click on the sprout Icon at bottom of the chat window or type in the macro /novicenetworkleave

Of course if you are a Mentor, just leave the mentor program.

I've qualified as a mentor to be in the NN since the first day it existed.
I haven't.
No regrets.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

Finally hit trade mentor.

Already hate NN.

I don't know if it's like this on all servers. But it already is total off-topic chatter other than FFXIV and helping others. Which I guess is fine you can't have FFXIV all the time. But then they started going into fetish stuff and it's like 'can you not'?

Then there's the issue of it seems like a clique. Mentors know mentors, people are regulars so some are 'higher' than others, and it's easy to feel alienated even as a mentor much less a newbie.

... I guess I expected more of a chat where people ask questions, others see and answer when they can. They talk about the game. Everyone's equal and just in it to help each other grow.

... What I got was highschool 2.0.

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That's because NN is high school all over again and the people that got bullied and/or shunned are now "mentors" who have just a wee bit of power and go nuts with it. Do yourself a favor and just leave NN. Unless you're in the "popular" group, you will be ignored and the chat will mysteriously go silent if you don't go with the flow of conversation and want to *gasp* use it as it's supposed to be used.

I do believe the NN needs a rework and bad experiences happen from time to time, that's just the downside of having something ran by people, so you rely on them in order to get whatever you need from them, but that's just a small part of the Mentor system that needs changes in order to try and remove the stigma from it alongside trying to keep bad apples down to the minimum.

It has been stated way back when NN was first launched that GMs said that the NN is free to have any discussion they want while obeying the ToS of the channel and the game.

Of course regulars will know each other, it's only natural, but the only advice I can say is to be a regular yourself, engage and put yourself out there. People won't come to you in NN, if you're silent then of course you'll be ignored. You don't have to be a Mentor to give help or a sprout to receive help, there's plenty of ways in game to do so, just NN is the more broad and all-encompassing way.

It varies by server. Novice Network on Cerberus, for example, is pretty relaxed. If someone asks a question, it receives an answer. There's some friendly chatter here and there, too, but I've not seen anybody ignored if help is requested.

I also think a lot of people expect too much from a system based around voluntary engagement. Mentors are not obligated to be perfect or available 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Returner status doesn't do anything important anyway. NN access is the primary perk.

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Thought Returner gave you a exp bonus or something, that's why I said they "wasted" it. But if it's just NN access then yeah, you are right.

yea I was on NN for awhile, would try and steer it back on topic of asking questions sometimes but yea people just use it as a social linkshell, its a problem. How to fix it? idk I have it perpetually off my chat. Maybe all it should be is you have a system where you can que up a question, and mentors can only reply in response to that question. And yea honestly high-school 2.0 is not a bad way to describe it lol, its not that things don't get done, its just really messy and weird while you're at it lol