I don't think I misunderstood. Every team based game I've played had people blaming others to cover up their own weakness, competitive or not. You can try to take my reply as defending XIV but it's being taken the wrong way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darsien
Look through my post history - I've done a lot of complaining about XIV's faults. This isn't much different from any other team based game IMO.
Lets talk about the FFXIV player base..
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10-05-2020, 08:13 AMRethDaron
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10-05-2020, 08:16 AMDarsienI've made my point and clarified it for you and I'm now telling you that you're misunderstanding my point. In no way did I mention blaming others for their own weaknesses. I've said that people outright refuse to get better or carry their own weight/do the minimum/etc., those things are not attributable to blaming another player for those shortcomings.Quote:
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I can't make it any more clear for you. Further misrepresentations on what I'm saying will be ignored. -
10-05-2020, 08:18 AMRethDaronPeople generally blame because they're not pulling their weight and aren't improving themselves. It's all the same.Quote:
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You have the tryhards complaining that take the game too seriously too, but that's another matter. -
10-05-2020, 08:28 AMDarsienIt's not the same, no. One is shifting focus from their own play to another. The other is willfully refusing to improve, regardless on the cost it has on other players. This is the main difference between NA/EU and Elemental, Gaia, and Mana. Not pulling your weight, wasting people's time, and/or contributing your fair share is seen as a negative at a cultural level. Conversely, combat content there typically goes much more smoothly, to the point where even savage can be done in Duty finder. If you'd like, I could pull an articule on Asian culture and on analysis within FFXIV to back this up.Quote:
Originally Posted by RethDaron
It's not the same, though I can now draw a new parallels: You're projecting your method of dealing with criticism right now by shifting the blame from a mentality issue to a malicious one. Because this is how you personally handle criticism, everyone must, right? It's all the same? Nah. I am sorry you're so far gone.
As for tryhards, that's an interesting take against people who do care about their performance and "taking a game too seriously." Historically, people who use "tryhards" in this context are the worst of the worst, attributing good play to a negative simply because they don't see the point.
Least I know why you, in particular, hide behind an alt.
It's irrelevant because you're trying to talk about something entirely separate that what I was talking about to begin with. Like I said, I can't make it more clear for you.Quote:
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It would prove my proposed theory based on my observational history, as mentioned in the "Tryhard" section.Quote:
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10-05-2020, 08:29 AMRethDaronHmm...I don't think you met many people like who I was talking about.Quote:
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Why's that?Quote:
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10-05-2020, 08:39 AMreivaxe
There's a combination of reason behind this.
1- The game's difficulty comes from doing your rotation as you handle the mechs of the thing you're fighting. The GAME, however, does a piss poor job at teaching people the assumed "proper rotation" that the devs use to balance things from expac to expac. They make next to no attempt to spell out the proper rotation to people and iirc it's in part duo to "allow players the freedom to come up with their own, possibly better rotations" or w/e but most of the time you just end up with Blms doing next to nothing or Mnks doing single target rotations on a pack of 10 mobs. HELL, healers legit deal more damage than tanks ... yet we all know how common it is to get a healer who does zero DPS and just stands in a corner and heals because "That's my JOB!".
2- People feel like the time invested in the game gives them proper knowledge of it. When the game it's self doesn't teach you how to properly play your job no amount of in-game play will likely give you the full picture alone unless you're dead set on crunching the numbers ... so if you want to be better or git gud you have to look online for help. But .... most things in this game are face roll easy. So unless you want to do Savage, ultimate's and Exs you don't even need to be "ok" at your rotation.
So until the devs address this you just have to, like, focus on yourself and ask people if they're open to advice. I started this game as Tank and people's suggestions allll the way back in ARR helped me a ton before I started watching youtubes and such for information. -
10-05-2020, 08:47 AMznushuI've played alot of mmorpgs, from Tibia, EQ, FFXI, and even cancelled ones like wildstar. Each player base is different from one another and not all are the same. Some are extremely toxic due to the focus on the competitive scene (WoW) while others are extremely laxed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destin_Valiant
FFXIV is more about the mix of both with a tad bit more focus on the non-competitive nature in the genre unlike certain products. Which attracts both Final Fantasy players and non-gamers alike. It's because of this that you will see alot of players ingame being against the type of criticism you'd normally see in products like WoW or Everquest since most of the players here are either from a Single Player Product or they simply didn't play a Video Game before.
As for me though I don't believe I fall into either category as I'm not really a FF fan but i'm still a gamer through and through. So the rest will just be my stance on "being criticized" in mmorpgs and team based entertainment products in general and my stance is this:
Why should I attack or harshly criticize another player ingame? We are both just playing a entertainment product at the end of the day and not everyone is perfect, we all have are good and bad days. If they'd wish for help or advise on their rotation, gear, or glamour then they would ask for such but in most cases of "criticism" in these types of entertainment products it just amounts to nothing but verbally assaulting the other player for X or Y reason which just muddies the water for all parties involved, even witnesses to it.
This at the end of the day is a Video Game, not a job nor a career nor should it be treated as such. Video games are designed to have Fun with after all, not to build your entire life and career around it. -
10-05-2020, 09:11 AMDPZ2It's just you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Destin_Valiant
I'm certain that a number of players are less capable at playing this game than you are. That's the reality of MMORPGs. There are always differences in player ability levels. One of the great parts of this game is that we tend not to encourage those who do not play at our expected ability level to quit.
I'm equally certain that some of the criticism you've dished out to other players has been less than well received. Probably appropriately.
Nothing to see here. Move along. -
10-05-2020, 09:13 AMLufir
As a person who has played a few other MMOs, FFXIV definitely has the most over sensitive players out there. It's because they think Final Fantasy is an anime, not the 5% of actual good anime. I'm talking the kind of anime where the main character goes to high school and explodes in his pants the moment he sees his triple D classmate drop a bottle of milk.
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10-05-2020, 09:29 AMReap00
Why would anyone in their right mind care what a perfect stranger thinks? There is no point to this thread whatsoever except to troll and agitate people. Do yourself a favor folks and avoid it like the plague.