Idea for more relevant Mentor Icons for Mentors

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Originally Posted by Canadane

FFXI had a big ugly M icon for it.
I'd like that, please. Don't make it an appealing icon.

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You mean this little beauty? ^^
https://i.imgur.com/2Vr8X6K.png

Yeah, something like that would be good as well!
I tried to make a similar but XIV version of it and added it as a suggestion in my original post. :)

In all seriousness, I do like the concept this has of breaking mentors up into Roles, with maybe a fourth option for someone who meets quals for all three roles like current mentors now.

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Originally Posted by Zwipp

The system by it self isn't the problem, it's the reason why people join the system that is. They want to feel superior, and a crown is the very definition of superiority. That's why I think it's stupid to have a crown for mentors that has nothing to do with superiority.

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And like I've said many times in this forum, where are these so called mentors that join because the want to feel superior and then do a poor job of mentoring? This is an urban legend with no evidence whatsoever. Problematic mentors in content look like such a tiny minority in this game, but people get so hyped up over the few bad encounters they have.

Implementing all of these changes wouldn't make much of a difference, people would still come here to complain about the <1% of mentors that grind their gears, just as they do the current 1%.

I think the green M icon would be best.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

This is an urban legend with no evidence whatsoever. Problematic mentors in content look like such a tiny minority in this game, but people get so hyped up over the few bad encounters they have.

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No evidence? I've both seen and heard enough in-game, from friends and on forums to actually see that there is a problem. And we're not talking about some 1%.
And if it really were an urban legend, why did SE feel the need to add the requirement update?

But all that aside, I want to change the icon to take away those people who becomes mentors just for the crown, no matter how small the percentage may be.
And even if this won't change who become mentors and who doesn't, it might still get mentors flamed a little less. A lot of people seemed to get annoyed by the crown itself.

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Originally Posted by Zwipp

No evidence? I've both seen and heard enough in-game, from friends and on forums to actually see that there is a problem. And we're not talking about some 1%.
And if it really were an urban legend, why did SE feel the need to add the requirement update?

But all that aside, I want to change the icon to take away those people who becomes mentors just for the crown, no matter how small the percentage may be.
And even if this won't change who become mentors and who doesn't, it might still get mentors flamed a little less. A lot of people seemed to get annoyed by the crown itself.

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I don't mind the icon change. I never cared much for the crown as a symbol. Like you say, if anything it'll highlight that the icon isn't the issue and maybe slow the amount of mentor bashing going on.

And yes it is most likely around the 1% range (and that's including helpful mentors that can lose patience with sprouts at times and those that drop ex trials but are otherwise fine). On Aether it's closer to 1.2-1.3%. The reason people talk about it a lot is most likely survivor bias. People will ignore the almost 80% of mentors who are silent because it's really easy to miss them, they skim over the full 20% of mentors who do help in content. Because they either don't take note of the fact they're mentors or just because it's normal for a mentor to help. But if one in a hundred mentors says something bad, that really sticks in people's minds.

FYI: The numbers come from keeping an updated spreadsheet of mentor encounters for Aether. I wouldn't expect that much difference with other data centers, though it would be nice if someone on the EU DCs could share the same kind of info to see if the language barrier makes a difference or not.

+1 to something sprout related, like a grown tree or even a maple leaf (Showing “age”)

I don’t know what world those who think the mentor system works... it doesn’t... the mentors ask more questions than the sprouts, when a sprout asks a question 30 mentors answer with a variety of nonsense they didn’t need to hear and the novice network is just a chat function. People become mentors just to rejoin the NN and chat crap that isn’t needed.

New icons are a good idea, the removal of the crown is a good idea OP. But while they’re at it they need to make the mentor system into a more one on one ask/give advise. Novice checks a list for available mentors, sends a message, mentor responds with the answer

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Originally Posted by Zwipp

No evidence? I've both seen and heard enough in-game, from friends and on forums to actually see that there is a problem. And we're not talking about some 1%.
And if it really were an urban legend, why did SE feel the need to add the requirement update?

But all that aside, I want to change the icon to take away those people who becomes mentors just for the crown, no matter how small the percentage may be.
And even if this won't change who become mentors and who doesn't, it might still get mentors flamed a little less. A lot of people seemed to get annoyed by the crown itself.

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So this is person Vendetta against mentors? Because thats what I'm getting from all of this.

We need a voluntary system with NO incentives other than the want to help others. I like your simplistic icons. Crowns are intrinsically a status thing. If I wanna help I will sign up. If I don't there shouldn't be something to tempt me to label myself with the thing.