Elidibus and the First Warrior of Light (Spoilers)

on a slightly related note, chaos (whom we fought in alphascape 1 )at least i am pretty sure was the end boss in ff1. Though i am not sure elidibus fought him. Don't know why he blames us for lahabrea. Tech that was thoridan. Sure he was weak from fighting us and well he does like to switch bodies around a lot which also didn't help.

I may be wrong but my personal head canon has always been that a lot of oldest tales, specially ones that we share with other shards i.e. The Warrior of Light, could possibly be fragmented memories of the time before the Sundering. Specially now with the fact that Azem was always running about being a Warrior of Light type and even his/her name even ending up transforming into Azim and Azeyma. Elidibus may have just capitalized on those fragmented memories to create the WoL legend that all the Shards know. Since there was that hero worship thing, it's possible that like Emet-Selch he didn't want Azem to be lost to time because he decided that the Convocation was wrong.

EDIT: Thank you everyone who came here to answer questions! I usually tend to forget to reply on Lore section of the forums so I apologize if offended anybody if I didn't. And sorry if that last part came off weird. I always feel really bad when I don't reply to others who have kindly replied to me about my questions on these forums. ^^;

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Originally Posted by TuskenRaider

When we take a look into Elidibus' memories in Anamnesis Anyder, we see him looking at a vision of the original Warrior of Light and stating:

"Sundered though you may be, you fought for the world's salvation. For hope. Hope. It swells within me. Empowers me. Now, now I may carry out my mission."

Based off of this, it makes more sense to me that one of Azem's shards was the original Warrior of Light on Norvrandt. Elidibus just took inspiration from the WoL/Azem and used it to turn himself into that figure, similar to Archbishop Thordan VII turning into King Thordan.

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Yeah, this is the part here that confused me when Elidibus was shown observing the original WoL in a flashback. I had assumed after all he said during that Flashback and him rapidly zooming in onto the WoL that Elidibus had taken over his body at some point and assumed the role of WoL for the first time under the originals name.

This is what sparked me to think if this WoL were on the First then maybe through Elidibus he somehow found his way to the Aource during the reign of the Allagan Empire and that's why we find his armor in one of the Crystal Tower Raids.

I kinda like the idea of Azem or shards of Azem as the progenitor/s of the Warrior of Light legend, and to be fair the OG Warrior of Light presumably lived so far in the distant past that the soul could've reincarnated any number of times before Ardbert.

It wouldn't surprise me if each time Azem was reincarnated in different forms throughout the shards that they we needed up taking up the hero role. Prior to Shadowbringers there was always kind of statement regarding the WoL tendency to engage in heroic and selfless behavior almost by nature. Even Ardbert, who was initially antagonistic, was doing what he did to try to save his world from the light. It seems like just as the memories of past drive the Ascian's actions, it seems like we are partially driven by Azem's own drive to save the world in his/her own way.

Frankly, that's what I expected Azem purpose in the story to be: Seeking another path that differs both from the Ascian's and the Summoners of Hydaelyn.

Guys Elidibus "is" a WoL and truly "is" the 1st WoL, cus if you remember, back in the ancient days Elidibus "Sacrificed" himself to help save his people, if that does not bespeaks the actions of "A Warrior of Light True", then I don't know what is?... Elidibus was indeed hailed as a hero for sacrificing himself to help save his world, and that my friend is a true Warrior of Light in all it's greatness, so Elidibus truly was the "1st Ancient Warrior of Light" even Elidibus himself admited in "1st coming up with the Warriors of Light and Even becoming them" So Yes Elidibus really was the "True 1st Warrior of Light." Sure our Azem helped save people but they never sacrificed themselves for the whole of humanity like Elidibus did, so Again Elidibus truly was and is the "1st and true Ancient Warrior of Light".

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Originally Posted by PastelGothGuy01

Guys Elidibus "is" a WoL and truly "is" the 1st WoL, cus if you remember, back in the ancient days Elidibus "Sacrificed" himself to help save his people, if that does not bespeaks the actions of "A Warrior of Light True", then I don't know what is?... Elidibus was indeed hailed as a hero for sacrificing himself to help save his world, and that my friend is a true Warrior of Light in all it's greatness, so Elidibus truly was the "1st Ancient Warrior of Light" even Elidibus himself admited in "1st coming up with the Warriors of Light and Even becoming them" So Yes Elidibus really was the "True 1st Warrior of Light." Sure our Azem helped save people but they never sacrificed themselves for the whole of humanity like Elidibus did, so Again Elidibus truly was and is the "1st and true Ancient Warrior of Light".

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You're taking the words of Elidibus, a known liar who was at the time clearly speaking in evocative metaphorical statements, as someone speaking direct, immutable truth.

Elidibus does not always lie though, and did we not find out later on in the game that "Elidibus" did sacrifice himself to become "Zodiark's heart" to help save his people?... Even in the records of Anyder we see a hologram of the ancients talking to Venat on how Elidibus too sacrificed himself to become Zodiark's heart to help save everyone, and even in the ending of the Pandaemonium story raids Erichthonios also says that Elidibus was preparing himself to sacrifice himself to save everyone by becoming Zodiark's heart, and did we not also hear that the final days was averted, if only for the time being and thanks to Elidibus becoming the sacrificial lamb for this purpose, even Emet-Selch says that he considers Elidibus and the other souls that sacrificed themselves to help save the world Heroes, when we tell him of the future events in Elpis, all these passages mention Elidibus mostly as the one who sacrificed himself to help save everyone by again becoming Zodiark's heart.

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Originally Posted by PastelGothGuy01

Elidibus does not always lie though, and did we not find out later on in the game that "Elidibus" did sacrifice himself to become "Zodiark's heart" to help save his people?... Even in the records of Anyder we see a hologram of the ancients talking to Venat on how Elidibus too sacrificed himself to become Zodiark's heart to help save everyone, and even in the ending of the Pandaemonium story raids Erichthonios also says that Elidibus was preparing himself to sacrifice himself to save everyone by becoming Zodiark's heart, and did we not also hear that the final days was averted, if only for the time being and thanks to Elidibus becoming the sacrificial lamb for this purpose, even Emet-Selch says that he considers Elidibus and the other souls that sacrificed themselves to help save the world Heroes, when we tell him of the future events in Elpis, all these passages mention Elidibus mostly as the one who sacrificed himself to help save everyone by again becoming Zodiark's heart.

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You would have a bigger point if Elidibus had been the sole sacrifice to become Zodiark. Remember Loghrif was the original person for the job as they didn't want to put such a heavy burden as being the equivalent of being an Eva pilot onto someone many of the convocation saw as a little brother. Until he volunteered and pleaded his case. There wouldn't be a Zodiark for him to be the heart of if those in that initial wave of sacrifices hadn't also chosen to volunteer to become the body.

True, but the stuff they did is equal to What a Warrior of Light wouid do for the people they cared for, so even if Elidibus is not the only WoL we can still call him one of the "1st" Ancient Warriors of Light and he was seen as a leader of sorts, heck when he became part of Zodiark the people worshipped him as a god of sorts, besides he is the one that is mentioned more times then the others when it comes to "The Warriors of Light" and the whole stuff with Zodiark, while the others remain as somewhat of a foot note, the spotlight mostly being on Elidibus with the whole him being Zodiark's heart thing, and the story gives him far more importance then the others as again Zodiark's heart cus in order for Zodiark to Work properly Elidibus was needed as Zodiark's heart and will, cus if not Zodiark wouid be nothing more then a husk without his heart, his heart being Elidibus.