Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

I'd rather not see yet more content delayed when it's already stretched so thinly. Compared to how much 'meat' there is in MMO's such as WoW and ESO whenever a new content patch goes live, it's a real shame to see FFXIV shy away from releasing everything all at once.

Sorry but "I can't/don't want to do X, so nobody should be able to do X." sounds almost comically entitled. You know that the next raid tier exists until the end of the expansion, right? If you don't want to do week 1 prog then just don't, nothing is forcing you to.

Granted, I'm not a hardcore content person, but I don't really see the issue with putting Savage back a couple of weeks. It's gives everyone a chance to do the rest of the content and gear up as necessary without having to skip through other content they may want to do just to get to Savage ASAP. Even people within the more hardcore community who do chase world firsts have said this and it's not like being a world first chaser means you have no interest in the rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Granted, I'm not a hardcore content person, but I don't really see the issue with putting Savage back a couple of weeks. It's gives everyone a chance to do the rest of the content and gear up as necessary without having to skip through other content they may want to do just to get to Savage ASAP. Even people within the more hardcore community who do chase world firsts have said this and it's not like being a world first chaser means you have no interest in the rest of the game.

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Neither does day 1 savage keep you from enjoying the content. You want to do world first progression? You have to make some sacrifices for it or you simply take it easy, there's nothing but bragging rights in being one of the first people to beat the newest savage tier, and once you're done you can simply go back to the rest of the content that you enjoy. That's the reason the raids are tied to side-stories, so you don't have to rush through the MSQ just because you want to raid.


I don't do day 1 prog either but I'm not gonna run around and demand that nobody is allowed to. I also honestly don't see why savage should be even more timegated when the other content isn't, should we maybe do that with the MSQ as well? Let you do half of it on patch day but for the most interesting part, and probably the story trial, you'll have to wait 2 weeks for it to be unlocked?

It really depends if the handful who do day 1 Savage actually enjoy it being available immediately, or if it's more that they enjoy the race itself and the rush to get crafted gear and skip through Normal mode is a necessary sacrifice to enjoy that race. If it's the second, then delaying Savage a week doesn't really hurt anyone.

I think we should be listening to opinions and feedback from actual world first racers, instead of people who barely dabble in Savage or haven't even ran it stating how it should be to dig for upvotes when it doesn't even affect them.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I think we should be listening to opinions and feedback from actual world first racers, instead of people who barely dabble in Savage or haven't even ran it stating how it should be to dig for upvotes when it doesn't even affect them.

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Delayed content affects everybody, though. Pushing content back results in a likely delay for everything planned to go live later on. To say nothing of the fact that the development cycle has already been thrown off course by Covid-19.

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It really depends if the handful who do day 1 Savage actually enjoy it being available immediately, or if it's more that they enjoy the race itself and the rush to get crafted gear and skip through Normal mode is a necessary sacrifice to enjoy that race. If it's the second, then delaying Savage a week doesn't really hurt anyone.

I think we should be listening to opinions and feedback from actual world first racers, instead of people who barely dabble in Savage or haven't even ran it stating how it should be to dig for upvotes when it doesn't even affect them.

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Actually, it does affect other people because delaying Savage would also delay release of new tomestone.

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Neither does day 1 savage keep you from enjoying the content. You want to do world first progression? You have to make some sacrifices for it or you simply take it easy, there's nothing but bragging rights in being one of the first people to beat the newest savage tier, and once you're done you can simply go back to the rest of the content that you enjoy. That's the reason the raids are tied to side-stories, so you don't have to rush through the MSQ just because you want to raid.


I don't do day 1 prog either but I'm not gonna run around and demand that nobody is allowed to. I also honestly don't see why savage should be even more timegated when the other content isn't, should we maybe do that with the MSQ as well? Let you do half of it on patch day but for the most interesting part, and probably the story trial, you'll have to wait 2 weeks for it to be unlocked?

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I mean, Day 1 prog would still exist though, no? The only difference between Savage Tier 1 / Ultimates and the other 2 Savage tiers is that they have no gap between the release of the best gear available to start the raids and the raids themselves. The world prog for the first tier of Savage isn't diminished or anything, it just has a small gap between the normals and the Savages that make it ever so slightly less of a rush to prep.

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Delayed content affects everybody, though. Pushing content back results in a likely delay for everything planned to go live later on. To say nothing of the fact that the development cycle has already been thrown off course by Covid-19.

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That's slightly less the case here - the updates in 5.0 weren't affected by them dropping Savage two weeks after normal. Worst case they'd bundle it in with 5.41, for example, which would clash with Ishgard Restoration, but realistically they could do 5.405 and have the base patch drop, then the Savages drop a week later, then 5.42 (or insert any future even patch set here).

The pandemic is delaying content by a noticeable margin, so wish granted I guess?

Obviously a troll .