Whats with the chemist obsession?

As much as i love the idea of a non casting healer, no company on this planet will both make it, and keep it after being made.
We all know its going to have a cast bar. *sarcasm start* Its not like MMOs have an overwhelming number of DPS players, while needing tanks/healers. Obviously everyone loves how healers are handled, and everyone wants to play them as is, as the same priest like caster, with just a slight difference int he color of the holy magic they cast. *sarcasm over*
When ppl thougth DNC would be a melee healer with no cast bars, i laughed, i said, it would be ranged (as nonsensical as that was to say at the time) and have cast bars (dance bars).
And I'll say the same about a CHM job. It will have a ranged weapon/magic, and have cast bars (mixing bar). Dont get attached to good ideas, You'll only end up mad in the end.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

No, there's been no teaser, though it has been talked about enough that YoshiP is aware of it due to interviews and so on.

My desire for Chemist is that I do not want a reskinned CNJ(hi Geomancer) and want something fresh, new and DIFFERENT for Healers as a Healer main. We've had to wait and I'd really REALLY like for it to be worth it.

I also want the Chemist to use a gun because... then the Trifecta would be COMPLETE. Gun Tank, Gun DPS and Gun Healer. (That and I'd love to shoot people healthy so so badly... it would help the levels of salt I have acquired over the years as a healer. Just... please.)

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a gentleman in the geomancer post explained this in a really nice way so I will just quote him but Geomancers aren't a reskin.

"Even with the astro quests, the Geomancers aren't healers. They use CNJ animation but only for the offensive elements, and even within the game lore there is no Geomancy healing. Just vanquishing evil spirits and purifying the land. They call it the foil to Astrologian, painting the contrast of heavenly and earthly energies, but as far as I'm aware there is actually nothing in the game where Geo heals. In the lore they're known for being powerful casters doing things like bringing down airships. I'm not saying its impossible it just does seem to fit when you look at the job as a whole within and without the game's lore."

So if that is the understanding of the class; which I agree with personally, I think geomancer will be a dps class leaving room for chemist healer.

I have a visceral reaction to people clamoring for GEO, sorry not sorry. I just don't want another 'by the power of nature!' class when we had CNJ... we had CNJ for a long time, if you were around for 1.0... I just want them to go in a different direction.

We'll see about the weapon/abilities of CHM... IF it gets made. Considering how they handled MCH, I think they could do CHM decently well. And there are other games/mmos/etc that have gun healers. (SWTOR for one...) I just would desperately like to see them move away from what the other 3 already are.

Vanquishing evil spirits and purifying the land is literally what CNJ/WHM (and DNC, for what is worth) does though, and even if Hingan geomancers work one way it doesn't guarantee all geomancers do - just like how Sharlayan and Ishgardian astrology aren't the same despite being the same job.
As much as I'd like geomancer as a "true druid" healer - because WHM always felt more of a holy cleric, specially now - and chemist would bring something new to the table, nothing stops it from being a healer candidate either.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

I have a visceral reaction to people clamoring for GEO, sorry not sorry. I just don't want another 'by the power of nature!' class when we had CNJ... we had CNJ for a long time, if you were around for 1.0... I just want them to go in a different direction.

We'll see about the weapon/abilities of CHM... IF it gets made. Considering how they handled MCH, I think they could do CHM decently well. And there are other games/mmos/etc that have gun healers. (SWTOR for one...) I just would desperately like to see them move away from what the other 3 already are.

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I totally get what you mean! I feel the same about a job that has had zero hints anywhere in the game... like rune fencer. I clearly like Geomancer; so if it does become job, I'll use the earth from your grave to kill enemies and if you get chemist you can bludgeon me to death with a beaker while bellowing out your victory shriek.

LOL As a CHM, if I get it, I would actually just shoot you healthy and/or dump a potion on your head from afar if that happened. With love. And salt. Lots and lots of healer salt. But you are welcome to the dirt of my grave at any time. Just know I'll be in it because people kept standing in stupid and I finally lost it. XD

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

LOL As a CHM, if I get it, I would actually just shoot you healthy and/or dump a potion on your head from afar if that happened. With love. And salt. Lots and lots of healer salt. But you are welcome to the dirt of my grave at any time. Just know I'll be in it because people kept standing in stupid and I finally lost it. XD

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OMG as long as your tombstone says "res declined"

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Originally Posted by dustdjinn

a gentleman in the geomancer post explained this in a really nice way so I will just quote him but Geomancers aren't a reskin.

"Even with the astro quests, the Geomancers aren't healers. They use CNJ animation but only for the offensive elements, and even within the game lore there is no Geomancy healing. Just vanquishing evil spirits and purifying the land. They call it the foil to Astrologian, painting the contrast of heavenly and earthly energies, but as far as I'm aware there is actually nothing in the game where Geo heals. In the lore they're known for being powerful casters doing things like bringing down airships. I'm not saying its impossible it just does seem to fit when you look at the job as a whole within and without the game's lore."

So if that is the understanding of the class; which I agree with personally, I think geomancer will be a dps class leaving room for chemist healer.

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No Geomancer healing?

Qi of Water was a healing spell. Now, SE doesn't worry about pesky things like lore established in job quests to hold them back (AST cards and whatnot), but let's not act like the Geomancer we saw in game didn't do any healing.

I've always imagined CHM as a healer with no cast time to use potions for healing but mixing or amalgamating them does require a cast time. It would be a high mobility healer and a handbag as a weapon true to its FFT roots. It might get more people to heal if there is a job that has a satchel/purse as a glam weapon. I know I would love it since I can finally complete my Dawn pokemon glam. Though I'm much more interested in the story CHM can tell from the Garlean side, being void of traditional magic like the rest of Eorzea, they can tell of the hardships of finding cures or the unfortunate realities of progress in medicine. It would very much parallel our reality and contrast to how healers in Eorzea can just heal in the CNJ guild, almost any sickness, but CHM is limited in resource and technology.

How would Chemist animations work I wonder? I assume they will be carrying a gun that shoots potions of some sort? I think it will be a challenge to make their abilities look eloquent in combat since it won't be the typical magic conjuring. Would be very interesting to see.