Adding Ishgard housing will NOT fix housing

There are plenty of plots available on Omega, which is one of the largest servers in the Chaos data centre. And I mean plenty as in you can walk up and just purchase a plot because the timers have expired. There are even plots selling at the minimum value because they have been empty for so long. So the housing situation is only a problem on a few servers. Introducing a lottery system wouldn't remove the fact that there aren't enough houses on the biggest population servers, it would just direct people's frustrations towards something else. The only solution to a lack of houses is instanced housing, and SE have indicated they are seeing what can be done with that

It's definitely an issue on Balmung. Plots never just sit empty or cost anything less than max since they're all camped. Even if someone does a move into a spot before the timer for purchase is up people figure out where they moved from and camp it pretty darn quickly. Adding more houses is the solution for servers like those as long as the magic number of plots exist to accommodate people, but it's an imperfect solution with the way they limited themselves and not every server needs that many. I really wish they had built it to be more modular so the servers with larger populations could have more wards and the smaller servers that don't need it have fewer. Ideally this would be dynamically changing as need arises, but I can see why they don't do that. I'm pretty sure they've said at some point that there's no way they could even have different numbers of wards from server to server the way they coded it which is a shame.

Ishgard Housing will not completely fix the housing system, but it could take a great strain off of it if done right.

That means: Instanced Housing. Give each player an instanced house in Ishgard, maybe even with instanced garden, and make it so that you cannot lose it over time like apartments. That would provide each player with the same features as a house from a ward, greatly reducing the demand for the ward housing while also ruining the plot seller's business since you could get the same features for free.

The current setup of Ishgard Restoration, with the houses in the Firmament being associated with NPCs (as seen on Tonberry) is providing a great chance for that.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

7 plots for sale on Gilgamesh

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Regarding this ad, would like to point out a few things:

"7 workshops built. Sea of Ash mostly/completely unlocked."

Building a workshop costs 800k gil. Getting to and unlocking Sea of Ash, takes about 3-4 months.

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28 Max rank Submersibles

28 Coelacanth-Class Hulls

28 Modified Unkiu-Class Sterns

28 Modified Unkiu-Class Bows

28 Syldra-Class Bridges

7 Shark-Class sets

28 Coelacanth-Class Bridges

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A single modified submarine(4 parts) should cost around 15-20 million just in material cost alone, not including the labour.

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100,000 Ceruleum Tanks

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Even if you price,these at a very cheap price of 100 gil per tank, it adds up to 10 million gil

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7 Eastern Cherry Trees

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These are selling for 15-20 million each on Aether.

These sellers are selling months of work,modified submarines and expensive furnishing more than they are selling plots.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I understand that a lot of work has gone into getting a maxed out workshop and getting to Sea of Ash, but does it warrant having 7 plots? Perhaps I'm wrong, but someone doing all that work so that they can sell the plots/workshop for gil sounds like someone who wants to then sell that gil for real money. getting a character with all the jobs and classes at 80 with all the egar is a lot of work, does that then justify them selling the account for real money?

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It's more efficient/profitable to use gathering/crafting bots(which SE does hardly anything about) than building up fully loaded FCs just to RMT.

It would be amazing if they could set it up so a new ward could be dynamically added whenever one fills up on a server, but the devs have already stated that it's not possible with the current codebase for housing :(

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

More houses may mean more private openers, but it also means more houses that can be exploited. If you look at the images linked in my post you see that there are a dedicated group of people buying up lots in order to sell them for real money or gil. One of the people to reply to this thread even has 48 houses for just themselves. Adding more housing just gives these people more proprieties they can snag to take advantage of. Sure, some lucky buyers will probably grab a house when we get Ishgard plots, but how many will take advantage?

I'd rather there is a system that doesn't allow anyone to take advantage.

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As much as I agree with you, consider it this way: especially one person in this thread spends just under $100/month retaining these virtual properties. Actual real-world money. Like honestly, who's the person being taken advantage of here? The devs are rolling in profit off these people with multiple service accounts.

That's exactly why I am not touching any of the Firmament stuff. Dont want to help house hoarders and resellers.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

So you're policing who can make a discussion and who cant? Seems quite harassing, I wonder if it's allowed? Generally when someone disagrees with a statement they either ignore it or refute it, as you're not taking the time to discuss the "false statements" I assume you're only here to harass me. Have a good day!

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Hope you're wearing your seat belt my lala, this is gonna be fun ;)


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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I understand that a lot of work has gone into getting a maxed out workshop and getting to Sea of Ash, but does it warrant having 7 plots? Perhaps I'm wrong, but someone doing all that work so that they can sell the plots/workshop for gil sounds like someone who wants to then sell that gil for real money. getting a character with all the jobs and classes at 80 with all the egar is a lot of work, does that then justify them selling the account for real money?

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No, you don't understand and probably never will. You barely played in 2014 and you got yourself a jump potion 5 years later. Your achievements do not lie, but you... oh we'll get back to it shortly enough. As I was saying, you have no knowledge on how to run a workshop, yet alone 7 or 50. The amount of preparation, work and resources it takes to craft that many high end parts is beyond your comprehension. Just because we find enjoyment in taking on something challenging has nothing to do with selling these plots for fiat. Coming from someone who previously made the following statements, I can't help myself but to wonder whats with your double standards? More on that later.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Any proof for your statement, or just typical tinfoil hat?

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I've played a lot of MMOs over the years, but I've yet to see a playerbase as salty as this one. Consider for a moment that someone got into the top rankings purely because they had the time to invest into grinding out diadem and crafting. Just because someone did better than you doens't necessarily make them a botter, there will ALWAYS be someone who is better than you and has more time to dedicate to this game.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

If I may ask, when did you last check? I just popped into Omega and there's not a single plot for sale across all 4 areas.

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Sweet sweet little lies. Do you know how devaluation works? I presume you don't, so let me it explain it really simply. A plot takes more than a few days to reach nearly half of its value. So tell me, how is it possible that there are over 100 devaluated plots to purchase in the Goblet on Omega as of today?

https://i.imgur.com/PcBaXsE.jpg


So what is it? You didn't actual check or perhaps your entire thread is meant to be deceitful? ;)


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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

More houses may mean more private openers, but it also means more houses that can be exploited. If you look at the images linked in my post you see that there are a dedicated group of people buying up lots in order to sell them for real money or gil. One of the people to reply to this thread even has 48 houses for just themselves. Adding more housing just gives these people more proprieties they can snag to take advantage of. Sure, some lucky buyers will probably grab a house when we get Ishgard plots, but how many will take advantage?

I'd rather there is a system that doesn't allow anyone to take advantage.

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What exploit are you speaking of? Players are allowed to trade whatever this game has to offer for ingame services or items. Players are also allowed to own as many houses the game allows them to, which is 9 per server at the moment. But you are right, more houses mean more people, such as ourselves, will take advantage of said houses...you know... as they are meant to be? Lacking experience in this game can be forgiven so I don't blame you, we have all been there. I hope you might reconsider your position on why you would disapprove of players partaking in free company exclusive content.


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Originally Posted by Illy_Peridot

As much as I agree with you, consider it this way: especially one person in this thread spends just under $100/month retaining these virtual properties. Actual real-world money. Like honestly, who's the person being taken advantage of here? The devs are rolling in profit off these people with multiple service accounts.

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The amount of players who use more than two service accounts, for housing purposes, is so low. How can you possibly come up with the conclusion that SE is "rolling in profits" as a result? SE is losing thousands of dollars by allowing gift codes from different markets to be used. The last thing on their mind is how less than 100 players have multiple subscription for housing purposes. And by the way, $100 is less than 10% of my gross income per week. I appreciate your concerns, but at $1200/year for the amount of entertainment this game provides, it is by far the cheapest hobby I have.


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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

I made this point earlier where I said SE are most likely unwilling to take any action because each extra service account to hoard houses is making them money, so why take any action? As for them being taken advantage of, do you really think they're spending $100 a month just so they can troll on the forums? I suspect that they're making that money back by selling gil or plots for real money.

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Following your logic, why would SE ban anyone? Are you even trying or did you get tired of pretending to care? In your on words:

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

If there was any truth to your statement then why would they ban people monthly for botting and RMT? The person you're constantly reporting isn't botting, that's why they're not getting banned.

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Now please tell me, what's with the sudden change of heart? Everything you have posted in the past goes against what you are whining about? Here, for your own convenience:

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

You could think of every conceivable way to stop RMT and it will still occur, RMT will never go away and even in games that have no P2P trading RMT still finds a way to prosper. You can't combat RMT no matter how many money sinks you put into the game, the only thing that comes close to throttling the RMT market is to make money easy to come by.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Maybe SE doesn't have an "awful track" with cheaters and the person you're consistently reporting just isn't a botter. Maybe they're not replying to your /tell because they don't want to, or they're ignoring the tab. Maybe their actions look janky to you because of lag, or because they're not concentrating and are flying in a straight line. Have you tried doing the Firmament fate? With the lag everyone is teleporting all over the place and there's a lot of jankiness, or are they all bots?

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

Either way, you're not interested in a discussion so I'll just leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

You can't dismiss an argument that easily just because you don't want to hear it. At the end of the day your subscription is paying access to the game and the content within that games. Mounts are not content, they are decorations. Does having your character sitting on a panda or a giant blue whale affect your gameplay in any way? No, it really doesn't. The functions of the mounts in the cash shop and the mounts found in the game are exactly the same, there is no difference between either one apart from an aesthetic ones. It is your choice to purchase a mount from the cash shop, you aren't being forced to do it so your argument that you are being bled dry falls flat.

The cash shop adds another source of revenue for the game, extra income means more content for players. Your complaint just shows that MMO players will complain about ANYTHING purely for the simple reason that someone can pay for something they don't have. Do you perhaps drive around your neighbourhood shouting at people who buy 3ply toilet paper? The cash shop isn't P2W, it doesn't lock content behind a paywall or allow others to be better at the game than you. You are complaining because someone gets to float around on a different mount to you, that's it.

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Just admit it, you don't care. Or if you do care, you're being deceitful about it. Either way, it's quite hilarious to see you change your stance on a subject when it seemingly affects you. Now entertain me.

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Originally Posted by TemporaryName18052020

And there it is audience, adding Ishgard housing in the same way that previous plots have been added to the game will just lead to the housing market getting worse rather than allowing more players to own plots because people like Yshtola, who owns more than 30 plots, will take advantage of the system to buy up more plots for their own nefarious reasons.

Thanks for playing! I should point out, but I have no interest in having a discussion about housing with someone who owns multiple lots, by all means reply away and come up with whatever theories you want or humblebrag away. You have no interest in a discussion you just want to ensure that Square Enix don't take away your houses and that no other player can get a house fairly. Toodles!

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How boring. See you in 2024 when you contradict yourself again after purchasing another jump potion.

Edit: Nice edit of yours LOL

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Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim

That's exactly why I am not touching any of the Firmament stuff. Dont want to help house hoarders and resellers.

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So you'd rather see 1200 players who would finally have a chance to own their first house go continue to go without one just to spite the 1 or 2 dozen players who will hoard and flip?

Fortunately, your lack of effort won't stop Ishgard from getting finished.