Locking dyable artifact gear behind a extreme trial, good idea?

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Originally Posted by Infindox

The trial is fun, but I dont understand WHY they did this? There's no reason.

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They just seem to have zero idea how to reward us for things. It has to be something that won't "force" too many players into it, won't invalidate Savage, won't take development time and tomes just don't work since there's tons of sources for them. So not too desirable, not too high ilv and not something we have already. It's a design mentality that's backed them into a corner. I imagine they ran out of ideas so just took the AF gear from Bozja, made it 480 so raiders wouldn't feel they had to do it and Allegory gear wouldn't be invalidated, then tacked it onto this, with nothing else so casuals didn't feel too forced.

It's a fun trial and I'll beat it once or twice but I can't see myself going in after that.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's a fun trial and I'll beat it once or twice but I can't see myself going in after that.

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As someone who does Savage/keeps up with tome gear I want to do the fight once, get the achievement, then never do it again. I wish they would have added something like a mount, a craft material, a minion, SOMETHING else so higher tier players would be interested.

Maybe if it was behind Hunts like Heavensward Artifact armor upgrades :D.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

Maybe if it was behind Hunts like Heavensward Artifact armor upgrades :D.

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Oh god please....no...my poor ps4 can barely load hunts as it is!

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Originally Posted by RareItems

Maybe if it was behind Hunts like Heavensward Artifact armor upgrades :D.

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I'd be fine with that if World Visit didn't ruin the hunting community that used to be there. (But that's an entirely different topic ;) )

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I think the problem here is people thinking relics are just long grinds. People asked for a return to the 2.0 relic, which involved doing somewhat difficult content to earn the relic.

The relic doesn't have to be a grind. The relic is just alternate gear. You already have your handout gear in normal raids and tome gear.

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But it is a long grind Atma/dungeons again and again/light farm/fate farming/currencies farming like poetics and GC seals.
And the highest mandatory difficulty was hard mode with higher difficulty being there to speed up some steps.
Only the quest about the kettle which is not part of the main zodiac quest had you going to EX trials.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

But it is a long grind Atma/dungeons again and again/light farm/fate farming/currencies farming like poetics and GC seals.
And the highest mandatory difficulty was hard mode with higher difficulty being there to speed up some steps.
Only the quest about the kettle which is not part of the main zodiac quest had you going to EX trials.

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No, back when the first step was fresh, titan hm was a wall to most people. Heck, people couldn't even get ifrit down without mage lb3 and a PLD dedicated to stuns.


If you weren't around then you wouldn't understand. The first content sales were not raids. They were titan hard lol.


There was a strat of auto attacking titan for the first bit of the fight just to build up the lb gauge.


I'd wager titan hm back then was harder than this ex trial is now.

IMO dyeable Artifact stuff should be both pretty trivial to get since it's more or less basic game functionality.

The artifact gear being behind this trial though sorta misses every conceivable mark as others have mentioned, it's so weak in terms of ilevel that it doesn't feel like a suitable reward for an EX level trial (it should be 485 or 490 IMO) and superior gear or equivalent gear has been available for purchase for a while. Meanwhile it's just going to be frustrating for the majority of the playerbase who does want dyeable AF stuff, but otherwise has no interest in engaging with EX level content.

I feel like a better way to do it would be to either have the AF just be dyeable from the get go (blasphemy I know) or to implement upgrade items similar to what you could craft for the AF1 gear and have those be craftable, or earned through firmament scrips, or something different. This is just an odd way of doing it that probably doesn't satisfy anyone unless they like seeing the forums/reddit be salty.

I just don't get why AF gear is not dyable baseline?

Since the AF1 gear has always been DoA given that it, for whatever reason, happens to be inferior to what is already available at the time.

In this case, we already have Eden normal for 480 gear and Tome gear, which is ultra-mega-casual since you can literally farm out tomestones in solo Trusts, is 490...

As for the trial? I would have thought it'd make sense to put the thing you need to obtain to craft extra relics there. So you get a freebie, but then have to do some EX runs to get the rest.

Put some extra goodies in it so Savage Raiders can carry have a reason to run it too. You know, normal junk. A mount, some extra glamour, a 495 item level weapon to be ironic...

ARR was given out for free/collectable thru dungeons.
HW used to be locked behind tomes but was viable short amount of time.
SB was thru simple time consuminh grind.
Imo it should meet the standard as the above^.