Final Fantasy XI based 24 man raid

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I'm not really going to be concerned unless they start putting stuff like that in the MSQ, personally.

The game still largely relies on its own lore in that regard.

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Dalmascan representatives are mentioned as part of Hien's Othardian Alliance in Stormblood. I was fine with it being it's own thing, but as soon as this scene happened, Ivalice was present in the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by testname

I want more Nier :3

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Hate to be that guy, but if you want more Nier then go play Nier, or ask Yoko Taro for a new Nier game.

I'd rather have a Sin or as much as I hate it Lcie themed one. As much As I love windburst,real summoning and real magic users in ffxi bringing it into this game with this games bad system (for final fantasy) outside ff its great but as a ff the game is meha. So unless we can accidently heal bosses,use healing to kill undead and summon our masters Primals just No to bringing in Xi as it would be an insult to ffxi.

Honestly Id prefer them to take the game they are making and top saying disney won't let them they made it so they got controll of it and do something kingdom hearts related -does have ff characters so can be worked with--

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Dalmascan representatives are mentioned as part of Hien's Othardian Alliance in Stormblood. I was fine with it being it's own thing, but as soon as this scene happened, Ivalice was present in the MSQ.

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Just to clarify, that's FFXIV's own Dalmasca/Ivalice, not that of FFXII/Tactics. Everything that FFXIV uses is their own version, not that of the original source. The only two potential exceptions are Gilgamesh (for reasons I am not sure I fully accept, but have heard about) and Yorha (but only because the author may tie it to Nier Automata, but 2B's appearance may indicate only a loose connection).

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Originally Posted by linay

Just to clarify, that's FFXIV's own Dalmasca/Ivalice, not that of FFXII/Tactics. Everything that FFXIV uses is their own version, not that of the original source. The only two potential exceptions are Gilgamesh (for reasons I am not sure I fully accept, but have heard about) and Yorha (but only because the author may tie it to Nier Automata, but 2B's appearance may indicate only a loose connection).

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But as we established, that is the Dalmasca shown in the raid, which takes all the fanservice from the Ivalice games and shoehorns it into XIV.

By mentioning that raid in the MSQ, it makes all of that shoehorned fanservice canon.

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Originally Posted by linay

Just to clarify, that's FFXIV's own Dalmasca/Ivalice, not that of FFXII/Tactics. Everything that FFXIV uses is their own version, not that of the original source. The only two potential exceptions are Gilgamesh (for reasons I am not sure I fully accept, but have heard about) and Yorha (but only because the author may tie it to Nier Automata, but 2B's appearance may indicate only a loose connection).

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The thing is that XIV's version of Ivalice easily does the least to differentiate itself from the source material compared to the myriad other references to past FFs. The various Ivalice races just suddenly existed (They bothered giving the Viera and Nu Mou a background that made them feel natural within the world, while the Bangaa and Seeq are just kind of...there and are liable to never show up again), the Ramza of old and his friends were basically the same people they were in FFT, and the lucavi existed for somewhat ill-explained reasons that may never actually matter going into the future.

Crystal Tower did a better job of taking elements from FF III and working to make them fit within XIV's setting, with the namesake tower being an Allagan creation, Xande being the emperor of ancient Allag, and the Cloud of Darkness simply being one of the strongest voidsent in existence as opposed to a force of nature that appears to restore equilibrium between light/dark.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

But as we established, that is the Dalmasca shown in the raid, which takes all the fanservice from the Ivalice games and shoehorns it into XIV.

By mentioning that raid in the MSQ, it makes all of that shoehorned fanservice canon.

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Canon doesn't care about fan service. Look at Hildibrand. You can't decide whether something should be canon or not based on how well you think the fan service has been used. What matters to canon is what actually happened in the game. The raid doesn't need to be mentioned in the MSQ to be canon as all alliance raids are canon to FFXIV unless otherwise stated, including Yorha.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

The thing is that XIV's version of Ivalice easily does the least to differentiate itself from the source material compared to the myriad other references to past FFs. The various Ivalice races just suddenly existed (They bothered giving the Viera and Nu Mou a background that made them feel natural within the world, while the Bangaa and Seeq are just kind of...there and are liable to never show up again), the Ramza of old and his friends were basically the same people they were in FFT, and the lucavi existed for somewhat ill-explained reasons that may never actually matter going into the future.

Crystal Tower did a better job of taking elements from FF III and working to make them fit within XIV's setting, with the namesake tower being an Allagan creation, Xande being the emperor of ancient Allag, and the Cloud of Darkness simply being one of the strongest voidsent in existence as opposed to a force of nature that appears to restore equilibrium between light/dark.

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I would say that doesn't matter because the lore should be big enough to accommodate such existences.

It's like if I were to visit some place on Earth I've never been to and meet the people living there. To me, they would just "suddenly existed" in my awareness if I hadn't known of them beforehand. And if I never go there again, I may never meet them again.

If the world is big enough, some encounters can be one-time occurrences. Not everything has to tie neatly into existing lore. Some things can be entirely new things added to the lore and canon.

You'd think the entire thing about the Lighthouse, the sunken city and the Orbonne Monastery (Alongside Fran's mere existence) would have been enough to sate XI fans.

Not to mention Mustadio, the Thunder God, ULTIMA HERSELF and several other noteworthy players in that particular adventure.

While it's never really a 'bad' thing to expand and flesh the world out more. One has to remember and realize that every Final Fantasy takes place at different times and (more often than not) different timelines / planets all-together. The nods to other games in the series are just meant to be nods or tongue-on-cheek references.

They could easily just not have done it and people would still do the 24-mans. Remember that, if they make a 24-man about a certain niche or franchise (A la the Nier raids we're getting this expansion.) then it's taking the place of something that could be original and unique to XIV's universe.

XIV's Eorzea is amazing by it's own right. It shouldn't need to pilfer from other times and games to prove that and instead, shine by its own strengths.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

You'd think the entire thing about the Lighthouse, the sunken city and the Orbonne Monastery (Alongside Fran's mere existence) would have been enough to sate XI fans.

Not to mention Mustadio, the Thunder God, ULTIMA HERSELF and several other noteworthy players in that particular adventure.

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Don't get me wrong, me and you are on the same side of the face in regards to our opinion on this topic, but Ivalice is FFXII, not FFXI, XI is the mmo that came before XIV

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Don't get me wrong, me and you are on the same side of the face in regards to our opinion on this topic, but Ivalice is FFXII, not FFXI, XI is the mmo that came before XIV

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Wouldn't that mean that the ENTIRETY of XIV is their wish and then some?

Since, if memory serves (I could be wrong and I will freely admit if I am) XIV is after XI's calamity. When they shut down the servers a-la bahamut meteor. Ardbert and his gang being the token warriors of light (Stand-ins for XI vets) and all.

Not to mention people who played / still have their accounts back from XI have a different "Character create" intro cutscene than the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

Wouldn't that mean that the ENTIRETY of XIV is their wish and then some?

Since, if memory serves (I could be wrong and I will freely admit if I am) XIV is after XI's calamity. When they shut down the servers a-la bahamut meteor. Ardbert and his gang being the token warriors of light (Stand-ins for XI vets) and all.

Not to mention people who played / still have their accounts back from XI have a different "Character create" intro cutscene than the rest of us.

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That's not from Final Fantasy XI. That's from Final Fantasy XIV 1.0. A Realm Reborn was XIV version 2.0. The calamity happened when they closed down 1.0, which was not related to XI at all.