Armored Healer

I would love to see an armored healer, especially if it involves healing by smashing things in the face.

While I didn't enjoy BfA Mistweaver's optimum build, fistweaving was so much fun on the one fight that it was appropriate. If I could play something like that in XIV...

By Armor do you mean they have their own armor set like DRG and NIN?

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Originally Posted by SleepyNeko

By Armor do you mean they have their own armor set like DRG and NIN?

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im just saying to make a holy paladin in ff14. the job is already here and in terms of the gear they could literally just make another set of the tank gear they already make with reduced vitality and different stats. I didn't really mean the armor would be a part of its mechanics I just meant more along the lines of paladins being kind of the epitomy of both tank/healer throughout fantasy worlds. I haven't had time to come up with class defining gameplay because I wanted to hear the ideas from you guys. my original post should have been more clear I suppose but for one clemency could be the baseline heal equivalent to benefic and then keep it how it is on tank paladins. I figured this class could be a lot easier to make for SE since the baseline of the job is already here

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Originally Posted by Jaelommiss

This is blatantly false.

SMN maintains all ACN spells. SCH maintains one ACN spell, plus a few that share the same name but have different spell IDs. You can verify this yourself on the official job guides or Garland Tools. It might also be visible in game, but I'm away from my computer right now and can't check it.

While I agree that a single class branching into multiple jobs is probably a poor idea, it's not because the split jobs would necessarily have all of the base class's abilities.

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Yeah, ok, I should have just said it would be easier than cancelling the stuff from the base class. At this point, there's really no reason to not just make stuff its own job, as SE has been doing for new jobs after Ninja.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

im just saying to make a holy paladin in ff14. the job is already here and in terms of the gear they could literally just make another set of the tank gear they already make with reduced vitality and different stats.

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Glamor some armor onto WHM. Bam! Holy paladin.

The only thing you're missing is a sword, but there are some metal staves that would fit with the armor pretty well (I'd suggest the Thordan weapons, probably).

Except PLD is increasingly gaining a more holy aspect to it anyway with successive expansions (we have a healing spell in Clemency where the PLD kneels in piety and the spell executes in a flurry of angel feathers and a heavenly light, we have Passage of Arms where the PLD throws up giant glowing blue aetheric angel wings behind them, and then we have actual holy spells in Holy Spirit, Holy Circle and Confiteor). So asking for a 'holy PLD' Job to be added is a little redundant as PLD already is that now.

Sure they may not have had quite that vibe at first, being just one step up from GLA, but it's clear SE are trying to make the Job better fit that aspect, and it's especially apparent now. :)

As for the OP, I think it's more likely that we will see more heavy armour allowed for existing healer classes and Jobs to be added rather than an actual 'armoured healer' class/Job (as Iscah mentioned, ignore Gaia, that was a mistake by Tetsuya Nomura who was not aware there wasn't a hammer-wielding Disciple of Magic in the game already when he designed her and just added a hammer for her "because it looked cool" - hammers being a WHM weapon in FFXI incidentally - and Yoshi basically just smiled and assured him it was fine, so players who want a new healer so badly are now clutching at whatever barest threads of possibility they can find, even if they're not even there).

A good place to start would be asking for FFXI's 'Holy Breastplate' gear to be added to the game (a bulky armoured breastplate that was only equippable by WHM and had the highest DEF in the game at that level, even more than actual tank gear at that same level), as I admit I'd love to see that added.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

So asking for a 'holy PLD' Job to be added is a little redundant as PLD already is that now.

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Then why does it need to be restricted to tank role only?

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Then why does it need to be restricted to tank role only?

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PLD and WHM are thematically (at least for abilities) very similar.

PLD is the holy tank. WHM is the holy healer. Just as PLD gets a bunch of 'light' themed spells, well, WHM is that for the green role.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

im just saying to make a holy paladin in ff14. the job is already here and in terms of the gear they could literally just make another set of the tank gear they already make with reduced vitality and different stats.

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What does that achieve though, beyond saying "look, this healer wears armour"?

As I asked in my first reply, what are you envisaging to be the selling point of an armoured holy healer that WHM doesn't offer, besides wearing armour?

It would be introducing a huge new number of items with very little clear benefit beyond the novelty of it, when our armoury chest is already strained for space.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

I haven't had time to come up with class defining gameplay because I wanted to hear the ideas from you guys.

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It's not really working that way. You're the one who wants the idea so you have to come up with how it works - otherwise it's a bit like saying "it's a great idea - you should put the work into developing it" while not giving us any details that would convince us of that fact. Otherwise it's more of a fleeting thought bubble than a real concept - and others aren't seeing a gap that needs filling, or how to fill it, so it's up to you to develop your idea.

There isn't much room to invent a class here without stepping on the toes of both PLD and WHM.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Then why does it need to be restricted to tank role only?

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Because that's how FFXIV's battle system works. You have to queue as one of the three designated roles.

If you want an armoured healer, you glamour your WHM.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...7b26502cb7.jpg

No. I'm already annoyed at needing to make separate sets for DRG and NIN when my other melee use Striking. Would I like more glamour options including some armor options? Sure, I think the only actual healer gear we've ever had that was "armor" was the daystar set, and that just had the boots, gloves, and some detailing on the chest while still being mostly a robe.