Newbie into the game and PvP - Feedback about Feast PVP

Most point based 'ranking' systems like these are practically cosmetic and changing the amount of points given for a win/loss wouldn't really change the matchmaking much at all.

Even if you changed it to be truly zero sum, all it would do is compress more of the playerbase in the bottom tiers early on, it would take longer for small differences in winrate to translate to placements in different tiers. You'd still match with the same people. That 'gold' player you think you don't deserve to party up with? Maybe they actually barely break 50% w/l, and in the new system they'd stick around in bronze with you, or silver.

As anyone who has interacted with systems like this can see, the point system is pretty lenient and fake especially in the lower tiers, it lets you 'climb' even with a 30%-40% winrate or something like that. I assume the real reason is to make it less intimidating for casual players, and give people a sense of progression even if they are below average. Frankly, they need all the help they can get with how unpopular PvP is in this game, if you make it even more scary looking with zero sum rankings even at bronze, you'd just chase even more people away.

In the end it doesn't really matter, only the top 100 rankings matter at the end of day - and those are truly zero sum, for every person that gets put into it, someone in there gets booted out.

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Originally Posted by Enma_Ookami

But it doesn't need to be MMR/ELO system. Keep +-25 so it naturally force minimum 50% WR for climb. Match people from certain range, for example: 0-500 unranked, 250-750 bronze etc. Whenever % of players will drop in certain range, make it wider so people don't get 1 hour queue times.

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Just wanted to cover this particular point.

The matchmaking range used to be much, much wider. Of course, the matchmaker would never match, say, a bronze with a diamond player by its ideal standards, but it happened. Now it's hard locked to +/- 1, in no small part due to community feedback.

The problem with narrowing it even further and most matchmaking suggestions in general: It doesn't matter much how you change or "improve" the algorithm when there is such a critically low population of players. Just about any other game you could compare it to has a far larger pool to work with (and as some have pointed out, people tend not to be too happy with them anyways). In FF14, the queue can die because one person decides they're done playing for the night.

Lastly, part of the reason for fast climbs is SE does a partial reset every season. You don't go straight back to unranked, but you do get knocked down a few tiers. And since seasons are short, you need to be able to climb back in a relatively short amount of time - particularly considering the very limited availability of the game mode on a day to day basis. Well, someone with a 55% winrate might climb very slowly over time, but in FF14 pvp, that's time you don't have.