Crafter and Gatherer jump potions

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Originally Posted by Maxeum

For example, being an omni crafter now means significantly less then it did pre 5.1.

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Pre 4.0 actually, but yes, 5.1 put the final nail in the coffin unfortunately. Honestly, the whole “work hard for what you want” mindset in terms of crafting is officially dead, and will not ever come back. and ultimately you have yoshida to blame for that. whatever new FF mmo comes around 2025-ish, you better hope yoshida has no involvement in...because if he does, it’ll just be FFXIV crafting all over again. so now I just play gold saucer games, sell materia, and play monster hunter world. at least in that game, hard work and grinds are encouraged.

Nice sarcasm

Having been an omnicrafter since ARR I kind of appreciated the old crafting system, though I think it was due for some skill consolidation.

I think it is hard to make crafting accessible and easy while simultaneously keeping it exclusive and difficult.

I am hoping that the simplification and easy leveling will be augmented with some exclusive and difficult challenges at some point.

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Originally Posted by Maxeum

There wouldn't be a struggle, no accomplishment, it would turn into a list of chores.
real life examples, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, etc... These are valued because they are hard, they are hard because they require commitment, time, effort....

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To be fair, FFXIV is basically a list of chores devoid of struggle and accomplishment. But its shiny and everything is so cutesy wutesy and ppl who never were able to get the big rewards can on Eorzea, hence the popularity. It was only a matter of time before crafting was hit too, and it wasn't really that hard pre-5.0 either, everyone just had macros to hq stuff.

I haven't gotten a drop that felt earned in this game since 1.0, which is pretty standard in gaming these days. I kindda feel ffxiv just takes the easy button to the extreme sometimes because its a cheap way to get ppl hooked on the game. The bad thing is that they have set a standard and now they have to keep those dopamine fixes coming and to keep that needle full, they are changing the old stuff too.

FFXIV at this point cannot be saved, it would crash and burn of they took away all the easy rewards or didn't change the old stuff to be easier. 5.x took a major slide backwards on difficulty of everything, just look at Copied Factory, Eden, every single dungeon, Primals… so old things like crafting being cheapened with an easy button is to be expected.

I just hope beyond hope, Yoshida doesn't get his fingers in the pots of any future FF games, esp the next mmo. He did an amazing job saving FFXIV, but he is coming across as a one trick pony and at this point I really don't think he knows what to do. Not only that be he seems to have gotten so comfortable in his echo chamber of praise that he doesn't really know it.

wow what an extremely subjective statement. but opinions are opinions are like.... you know. everyone smells.

Honestly, seeing that I am not alone in feeling this way has helped a lot. with the ishgard and exp update it felt like they threw a big middle finger at people (including myself) that had taken the time to level them all prior to 5.0 it has honestly left a sour taste in my mouth. I'm still playing but I hardly get on and when I do I just get angry and log back off after I do an expert. I've been looking for other mmo's if anyone can suggest any.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

they also want more and more people to get into crafting and gathering. for years people have said they don't want to do it because it's too difficult/tedious/etc. Now they're practically shoving exp down your throat saying you'll level it and then you'll like it.

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The question is how many players are continuing to do something with it once they've leveled. Most probably jumped on the bandwagon for Ishgard, grinded to get their scrip rewards and have forgotten it since unless they need to meld/repair. If all they get out of it in the long run are those things, it's not especially game changing for any of us.

It's probably going to take most of this expansion to get a good idea of whether these changes will have more players seriously participating in crafting and gathering, or if DoH/DoL classes become another "level to cap then forget about it".

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Originally Posted by Maxeum

Honestly, seeing that I am not alone in feeling this way has helped a lot. with the ishgard and exp update it felt like they threw a big middle finger at people (including myself) that had taken the time to level them all prior to 5.0 it has honestly left a sour taste in my mouth. I'm still playing but I hardly get on and when I do I just get angry and log back off after I do an expert. I've been looking for other mmo's if anyone can suggest any.

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No other mmo is the same, don’t bother. FFXIV is at the top not only because it caters to casual play and “minimalist effort” but the way the game mechanics are set up make it unique. It’s like an Avatar chatting game mixed with FF mmo qualities. No other mmo feels the same.

I just play monster hunter world mostly because that game is the exact opposite of FFXIV in terms of effort and gameplay rewards. Plus the devs give both males and females a butt lol

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

FFXIV at this point cannot be saved, it would crash and burn of they took away all the easy rewards or didn't change the old stuff to be easier. 5.x took a major slide backwards on difficulty of everything, just look at Copied Factory, Eden, every single dungeon, Primals… so old things like crafting being cheapened with an easy button is to be expected.

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Copied factory is one of the hardest, if not the hardest alliance raid so far mechanics-wise. I feel Eden is comparable to Omega as well, though I haven't tried savage yet. I don't know how the balancing was back in ARR and HW, but at least since StB the Lv50 alliance raids have been a total joke. The Lv60 raids are kind of getting there, but things only got really interesting at Lv70. Part of it may be overgearing but fact is that the older content was mostly beating things with only an occasional mechanic, whereas later raids really require awareness to not get stomped on.

Dungeons have never been particularly hard, at least in the time I've played. Here, too, the later ones have more interesting mechanics and the current batch of expert dungeons have a few pulls where I really have to concentrate on healing.

As for the crafting changes, I'm pretty indifferent. I mostly craft for myself and my friends anyway. In my current circle I'm still the only one who has bothered to level up crafters.

I got all my crafters to level 70 back in stormblood. I did that grind. Doesn't mean I hate the fast exp gain now. I'm not one of those people who hates things being made easier even when I did it the hard way.

As has been said, crafting was never really hard when macros would be used for everything anyway. I've written my own macros to craft with even, many times now. You people are just mad that you won't be able to make tons of gil as easy since there will be a lot more items on the market. Gil that is useless anyway.