Can I ask which part of MSQ mentioned it? "but I think I remember it being said somewhere that Ratatoskr was the one to revel how important dragon's eyes were to King Thordan I."
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11-22-2019, 04:07 AMKTSMEB
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11-22-2019, 05:37 PMObsidianFire
So it turns out I was not mistaken. Ratatoskr was indeed the person who revealed to King Thordan I where dragons' strength was. However, it's not in any quest in the game as far as I can tell. Where it is, is in Lore Book I one the page of Dragon bios.
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Originally Posted by Page 206 of Lore Book 1
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11-22-2019, 11:05 PMLineageRazorThe moment it was revealed that the Garleans - the ONLY other significant threat besides the Ascians - was ALSO an Acsian plot, I lost faith in this. No, I think SE is VERY MUCH content to lay every problem at the feet of the Ascians, and my eyeballs are primed to start a-rollin' at the next Secret Ascian Plot reveal.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier
The Ascians aren't perfect. Not every plot they engage in has to successfully result in a Calamity. They likely have their eggs in many baskets, stirring the pot wherever and whenever they can, and when one pot looks ready to boil over, they start priming a Shard for a Calamity.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistakeNot
I'm not saying I WANT Thordan's misbehavin' to be the result of Ascian meddling. Just saying that the fact that it didn't wind up triggering a Calamity isn't sufficient reason to dismiss the possibility. I'd suggest that the POTENTIAL for a Calamity was there; if more of the First Brood than just Nidhogg had been stirred to war, and if they'd been interested in expanding the war beyond Ishgard, things could indeed have reached calamitous proportions. -
11-23-2019, 01:43 AMNalien
Errr... We do all remember that Ascians were involved with the Dragonsong War, right? Like they straight up steal the key to Azys Lla from us in order to help Thordan VII reach the place so he could actually cause a Calamity by becoming a Primal and absorbing the Warring Triad... Like their whole plan was for Thordan to clash with Garlemald for a Calamity...
Whether they helped instigate the Dragonsong War is up for debate, but at the very least they used it. Lets not act like Heavensward was free of Ascian involvement. I'd also say, given their involvement with the Allagan (Emet basically admitted to having his fingers in that pie) and Tiamats summoning of Bahamut (she admitted they taught her the means), they did have a hand in creating the resentment that lead to the Dragon/pre-Ishgard conflict that Shiva and Hraesvlgr ended, resentment from that time period being something Nidhogg never truly let go of, so... They seeded mistrust in him for humanity which they eventually harvested (or tried to) with the events of Heavensward. That's very fitting with Emets lines in Shadowbringers about how Ascians operate; They don't start the fire, they simply provide the matches. -
11-23-2019, 01:52 AMChaoticCrimson
Honestly I always felt that the Dragonsong War was one of the few things the Ascians didn't have to be involved with to start, but it sure didn't stop them from trying to take advantage of it by using the war to sew more chaos. In which case, assuming they didn't have a plan for it since the very beginning, that could be yet another reason things went so horribly wrong for Lahabrea.
Of course, despite that failure things still almost worked in Elidibus' favor, since all that led to Nidhogg's eyes coming together again, so that after Nidhogg's return and subsequent re-demise Elidibus was able to get Ardbert's party to retrieve the eyes and then had them given to Ilberd to summon Shinryu. It really did feel like the Ascians were more or less winging it as they went with that whole thing. That's just the impression I get, though. -
11-27-2019, 03:50 PMZohar_LaharI saw it more as showing parallels between Emet-Selch and Nidhogg: unsundered beings that viewed the sundered mortals as "weak".Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien