Instanced Housing. We're angry!

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Originally Posted by Ftail

Have you not seen how many complaint threads the housing forum constantly gets and has gotten over the years?

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Why yes, I have. But most of the "complaints" fall into two or three categories.

People not reading the fine print of the patch notes and being surprised things aren't how they wanted it.

People upset that housing is for everyone, not just FCs. So they feel that personal house owners shouldn't have the option to own X because it stops them from owning X.

People stating that housing is mandatory content and complaining that they have hurt themselves for trying to get a house, despite it clear as day that it's not mandatory in any regard and they have no real ground to say SE is bad because of their obsessions.

None of these are genuine "complaints" but people screaming into the void about how the game doesn't cater to their specific needs and wants. Once again, proving that nobody truly gives any amount of a care about anyone else but themselves. Something that is rather counter to XIV's main goal of being social and to bring people together. Not put each other at a knife's edge.

There are genuinely some people on this forum that give constructive criticism and actively try to help lessen the burdens this "housing crisis" is causing, but after trying to help people and getting nothing but venom back, I've given up caring. The same old "keep trying, you'll get it eventually!" or the usual "There's communities out there to help you!" just falling on deaf ears. But let's get a few misunderstandings out of the way, since people seem adamant on spreading misinformation.

I do not agree with how Housing is. You can see how many times I've said it's lackluster and needs a fix. This doesn't mean "Any fix" is a solution, however.
I do not tell people to 'get good' in any fashion beyond telling them to keep trying, or to take a break. Once again, the above statements of 'join a community' and 'keep trying, you'll get it' falling on deaf ears.
I do indeed tell people to stop caring about housing, should their argument truly boil down to them just ranting about how they haven't got a house and it's because of X/Y/Z reasons which are just above "Other game is better at this stuff, so XIV should change to do that!" like the OP in this particular thread.

There are definitely issues that need to be resolved, there are certainly things that need to be fixed. But at the present point in time, it's up to the playerbase to actually show they want things to change and go about it in a sensible fashion. Not screaming and tearing into each other, because player A has something player B covets and refuses to do anything but scream about.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

People stating that housing is mandatory content and complaining that they have hurt themselves for trying to get a house, despite it clear as day that it's not mandatory in any regard and they have no real ground to say SE is bad because of their obsessions.

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Nobody has ever said housing is mandatory content, so stop making things up.

However, we HAVE said that owning a house is mandatory to access certain content. And it is! Despite your protestations:

- Some form of housing is required to use the chocobo stables. The stables give you the option to color your chocobo, train it with krakka root/thavanairian onion, buff it with other fruits, and I think even rename it. Luckily, the average person can buy an apartment now to do these things, but it is still housing-locked content.
- Some form of interior housing is required to grow flowers which are used to make the various headpieces. Again, we have apartments for this purpose at least.
- A yard is required for all cross breeding. Without a yard, any crafter who needs crossbred items must rely on the market board. This is unusual among crafting items, as for every item I can think of off the top of my head, it's not limited by anything except the crafter's willingness to go get the item.
- A house is required for free companies to access airships and submarines, which provide useful materials used for FC crafting. It also allowed Diadem access with an undersized party, which you could not do from the Ishgard airship landing (unsure of Diadem's status at this point in time or if it'll come back like this in the future).

All the complainers (or at least most) seem to be I didn't get a large house because mr X over here got it i'm more entitled than X so don't let X have a house. These complaints will never get support as most people want to opportunity to buy a house without having to be in a fc. Locking people out of content so your social circle can have priority isn't an excuse you get all the benefits from a small than with you do with a large and there's a ton of small plots out there.

The problem isnt individuals or re-locations its simple supply and demand. There's too much demand and too little supply and its clear people don't want smalls as servers are full of them especially in the new wards. Maybe if SE make more wards and instances down the road they increase the number of larges and mediums maybe even stop making smalls to add more medium and larges.

Imagine if they make Ishgard houses and it was just mediums and larges. They could have 12 Larges per ward and the rest Mediums that would be at least 252 larges and the fc's / Individuals that still somehow don't get one can get an individual house.

So in conclusion to this rant that I wrote because this topic keeps getting bombarded in the forums rather than Bash on people who relocated such as myself request SE change the housing structure to accommodate more medium and larges. That way we dont need instance housing (which imo is a terrible idea as all social aspects of housing would be dead) and we can stop having these i'm more entitled than that person for a property because I have a FC.

I see zero issue with instanced housing. As suggested u go to the plaque to bring up a list of the plots occupants and go inside. There is little to no community/neighbourhood feel in the wards as it is. Many of the large/med plots are being kept by players who arent even actively playing. They jus dont wanna lose the house so pop in now and again. If you have 10 FC's in one large mansion plot BOY are you gonna meet a lot of new people and actually feel like you have neighbours about!
Have a random house load in on each plot to keep things looking unique.

I would still say I'm a newer player, I'm newer still to housing even. And the struggle to buy my first small plot was horrendous. I only got my first one out of sheer luck waking up early one morning. Housing is a feature I really enjoy and it's part of what made me sub and buy the game, so finding out how rare and difficult it is to buy a large plot was really disheartening for me. Now before the 5.1 maint I lucked out and found a large plot free and moved to it. Hurray for me! But I have no intention of losing that plot. It's gonna be another that's locked down for a LONG time. And it's just not nice to know that while there are so many who would like this kind of house and can afford it cannot get it.

There is no issue with instanced housing this idea that it will kill a community seems absurd to me and the only other reason against I have heard was from my FC leader, "I want people to look at our FC house and say damn I wish I had that" It's pure selfishness.

SE could monetize housing pretty well if they tried, my old guild members from another game spent A LOT of rl money on housing items. They would happily buy all that mog station furniture they wanted, then ofc be paying a sub and buying the expansions. Make a lot of items, have em be cheap enough u can buy enough for ur large plot and all those tiny purchases will add up quick across so many players. So long as they kept new furniture availible in game first then adding to mog station later I see no issue with it.

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Originally Posted by rattles

The problem isnt individuals or re-locations its simple supply and demand. There's too much demand and too little supply and its clear people don't want smalls as servers are full of them especially in the new wards.

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I would love to like this post for this statement, but simply I can't. This is clearly draconian architecture meant to supply an "Elite system" similar to the worlds upper 1/2%. SE had stated this several times, and doesn't want to change it. Yoshi P may have used better words, but no matter how you dress something, it is what it is.



I feel bad for the OP, I really do. They fell victim to a draconian system. I worked in title Insurance about 11 years. The i's weren't dotted, and that information is there just not recent. I wish your other half for better wellness and I hope all of us keep them in prayers on that front.



I will say though, Many people would have slammed you for attempting to succeed and announcing it ahead of time with a post early, but always ask for help ahead of time. It's easy to ignore text on a screen, and you'll be shocked at who posts to actually help.

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Originally Posted by Mavrias

Your main problem was being on a crowded server and not prepping a small house in advance so you could try and relocate. You can blame individuals all you want but, its your own fault that you refuse to settle for a small.

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this is the perfect reply.

i have a medium house in the goblet, beside me is a small cottage and its sole purpose seems to be a rental honestly, players snag it and deck it out but soon as a new ward pops that place is plot again.

there is always a small house available somewhere, just like in real life you have to start somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Acelyn

there is always a small house available somewhere, just like in real life you have to start somewhere.

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Except when the only small house that's available is the first one to show up in a week and has 10+ campers using bots/macros to try to obtain it~ (Hello, Hyperion!)

It's not a case of people refusing to settle, it's a case that some can't get the small that they're trying for, and have missed out on countless houses and spent hours upon hours camping for it. I wish people would stop trying to claim that players are lazy when the truth of it is that there aren't enough houses for those that want them on some servers. Jumping ship isn't always an option either - they may have well-established friend groups etc. that keep them tied to a server.
I'm saying this as someone who started with a small, and ended up with a large house for myself and for my FC. I will be the first to admit that it wasn't "hard work" that got the houses - it was an obscene amount of luck, and that's not right.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Just because YOU aren't mad doesn't mean people aren't angry. There's lots of people, in game, on these forums, who are right PISSED. You can white knight all that you want for 'why it can't happen' and buy some crock of an excuse but I went through Cisco, did you? There are plenty of other games who have zero issue with housing allocation for EVERYONEYou have obviously never played RIFT, EverQuest 1 or EverQuest II because people are perfectly content with their housing system. No one here is HAPPY with the housing system other than those who were fortunate enough to not get server lobby errors, who have 100 million gil to get a medium house by buying someone else's FC, or just plain got lucky enough to get a bigger house.

The people who have been trying for literal YEARS to get into a medium and still don't have one (Today, they got eaten up by individuals. Not even FC's in the first FORTY FIVE SECONDS OF LAUNCH ON BALMUNG) - Those people? We're pissed. Don't call it a feature if everyone can't enjoy it as long as they've worked for it. We can't even get lucky to find one open after a demo because of the ridiculous RNG timer. You can spam click it for 24 straight hours and still lose it to someone who had luckier timing than you.

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I am not sure who "we" are but I agree with the server strain and the lag. I have played both Everquest 1 and Everquest 2 for nearly 10 years, the lag of the instanced housing was horrendous. Load times were a nightmare to even zone into the instance. People could put as much junk in their instance housing as they wanted, which was a worse mistake and contributed to make housing matters even worse in EQ1 or EQ2. Players of EQ could buy as many instances they had platinum coins for and you say that they had the way of things? Pffft, please!

Let me say, I understand the frustration, I don't understand why you think you should have what you want when you want it. Many of us have been through that same frustrations when it comes to getting the proper size housing for our FC. We started out with a small. The next time wards were added we moved to a medium and then a large, so yeah we did it in stages starting in 2016. We did it legitimately, without using the loop holes and deceptive practices that some others took to obtain their house(s). "Worked for it"? "My FC worked for it", not you. You want what you want in "an instance" literally., it seems No pun intended.

You have to start at the bottom and work you're way up if you expect to get things you want. The rest is a bit of luck and fate. Getting off your high horse, would be a good beginning. Start by getting a small maybe and then you can relocate. Expecting a large with the way you're going about it, isn't going to net you one.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

You have to start at the bottom and work you're way up if you expect to get things you want. The rest is a bit of luck and fate. Getting off your high horse, would be a good beginning. Start by getting a small maybe and then you can relocate. Expecting a large with the way you're going about it, isn't going to net you one.

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Your personal attack is absolutely unnecessary. Their FC has a small already - they are trying to work their way up.

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Originally Posted by Nix

Pretty much. I'm yet to see any constructive arguments, but lately feel like all they do is attack people for things out of their control.

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Actually you are right Nix. I turned it into a personal attack since OP was referencing WE so much. This however is an old argument from way back when. The old fight I fought once long ago, but only for myself with my own opinions and ideas. Never did I speak for others. It's not my right. I also know two of the four games he referenced in regards to instance housing. I know them well. Very poor examples. Plus attitude toward arguments of others has no place here if they can't keep their anger in check. Kicking and screaming never really accomplished much. Also the many lobby errors I suffered through on launch day, when Shirogane housing was added, eventually I managed to get a large for my FC (started with a small). With determination it eventually will happen, since this is how housing IS for now. OP seems to want instant everything and now in his argument, just going about it all the wrong way, over one of the oldest arguments in existence. Very tiresome.