Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

Little dramatic and pre mature on day 1

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Summoners being overreacting drama queens? Say it isn’t so. /roll eyes

This isn’t a jab at you by the way Abel.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Summoners being overreacting drama queens? Say it isn’t so. /roll eyes

This isn’t a jab at you by the way Abel.

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I’m just saying that there is no real viable data yet across all jobs so he needs to dial it back until people can evaluate all classes.

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

I’m just saying that there is no real viable data yet across all jobs so he needs to dial it back until people can evaluate all classes.

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When it comes to The Balance, those people actually have fairly accurate models and they try to sim the class before it's even released with all available data, so once they it comes out, it's simply a matter of updating the numbers that are wrong because nothing new will be happening outside of potency adjusts or the like.

So if they think the class is doing too much damage, there's a very good probability that the numbers will reflect Summoner doing too much damage.

The change is definitely an improvement from before because the job was an oGCD mess, but now after trying it out the problems with the job seem very apparent. None of our three major mechanics interact at all. Aetherflow, DWT/Demis, and our Egi's are all separate from each other. I'm sure there is rotation that might have it all flow together or at the last it'll be theory crafted into the "best" way to use them to maximize dps, but it still feels disjointed. In stormblood when we spent aetherflow to unlock DWT/Demis it felt so much better because our mechanics were interacting with each other.

I'm going to stick to my guns and say that the reason for all of this is because summoner is trying to be two jobs at once. The old arcanist with diseases/aetherflow and the new summoner with demis. It used to be able to do both but now that they added egi interaction it's just way too much action bloat. They need to commit to the job being a summoner. Something as simple as spending aetherflow on egi assault I&II instead of Fester/Painflare and then having that action link into unlocking DWT/Demis like it used to.

RIP physical Egi-scaling, you will never be missed.

https://i.imgtc.ws/IRVteRj.jpg

Also, found the person who's been in charge of SMN's balance every expansion:

https://i.imgtc.ws/XEE0Vof.jpg

Well history repeats itself lol SE can’t do SMN correctly to save their lives...putting us back in the caster problems of SB

Starting too lose faith in SE with balancing casters.

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

Little dramatic and pre mature on day 1

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The night of the patch I did a podcast on the 5.10 changes with fellow core Theorycrafters for Summoner (notably Eydis, Elevation, Tsundere Imouto and I). We discussed the changes, the potential outcomes depending on pet scaling where we discussed if melee scaling remained as is or if melee pets scaled as caster pets. The latter is what I banked on happening, the latter is what happened and our dps has ballooned accordingly.

I am going to upload the video to youtube later, however, it is still on twitch.

But to say it's dramatic and premature when we model everything thoroughly and provide all the guides and rotations knowing the job inside and out is a big discredit to the work we do.

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Originally Posted by Gallus

Also, found the person who's been in charge of SMN's balance every expansion:

https://i.imgtc.ws/XEE0Vof.jpg

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That's actually the dog of my old friend, SemJay. Qoppa was a good pittie.

so the only fix for SMN now is go back and play GNB and wait for 5.2?