SCH 5.1 seraph changes...... What? Did SE misunderstand our issues?

2 sec is enough for someone to die... My seraph froze for 2 sec, not my fault

Ghosting is when u press the skill button and the skill did not execute, but it goes to cd

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Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim

Didnt want to look like a total noob but whats ghosting? And how that ghosting turned out to be a reason for them disastrous Seraph changes? :O

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Basically because of how the fairy queues abilities, they can go on our cooldown, but the fairy doesn't use them right away. If something then interrupted the fairy, she wouldn't cast it, meaning it's just gone completely.

Examples are using Whispering Dawn right before Dissipation: if you press WD, but eat the fairy before it goes off, you've just lost that regen.

Seraph is a pretty bad example of it because you only have a 20 second window to use Seraph-specific cooldowns. That means if you use Blessing on Eos, then pop Seraph, you could lose that Blessing. Then later if you pop Angel's Whisper when you only have 2 seconds left, if Seraph is doing something due to her own personal GCD she might go away before the cast goes off.

It basically means Seraph has a timer of 20s, but only like 16 are useable without eating your cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by Ayesafaile

This does fix a bug, but not one that needed fixing. Seraph could sometimes act too quickly, causing her abilities to not appear in the combat log (or floating combat text).

Here is a gif of it happening. What you're looking for is my HP going from 8160 to 13362 (+5202 HP), and me gaining a shield buff as Seraph is coming out. No floating combat texts shows any healing on me, nor does the combat log. I even get another passive health regen tick before Seraph casts a Seraphic Veil on me for 5256 that does appear in the log.

This is what the combat log looks like for this time period:
[14:41]Eos casts Embrace.
[14:41] You recover 55 HP.
[14:41]You use Summon Seraph.
[14:41]You use Consolation.
[14:41]Critical! You hit the striking dummy for 246 damage.
[14:41]Seraph casts Seraphic Veil.
[14:41] You recover 5256 HP.
[14:41] You gain the effect of Seraphic Veil.

The important distinction is that even though this was technically a bug, it didn't impact gameplay at all. The heal still happened. Putting a 2-second "summoning sickness" on Seraph just seems like a cover-up for game engine/server deficiencies.

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Yeah I was following the whole ordeal on the balance as you were testing things out.
I personally don't think this is to fix the logs. Might be an unpopular opinion but it's a really convoluted way of going about it. It also seems like outreaching to fix an obscure issue without fixing the more obvious ones. Some of the more plausible theories I've heard have been that they implemented some quick hack for the smn wyrmwave and needed to add the 2 seconds to seraph to correct an issue that hack created. Or that perhaps seraph will cast a lingering skill that went on CD but wasn't executed before you called her out. The later being less likely as I'm sure the devs would have loved to place that fix in the changelog for all to see.

The real fix would be to change the actual summon animation but most likely something devs can't do that easily, so yeah the extra 2 secs is a kinda bandaid for now. As for consol, it's just because of the seraph change to 22secs, old consol was 20secs, I'm sure someone would try to squeeze out a 3rd consol with server ticks, lol, it should still have the 2 charge uses so no worries.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

Basically because of how the fairy queues abilities, they can go on our cooldown, but the fairy doesn't use them right away. If something then interrupted the fairy, she wouldn't cast it, meaning it's just gone completely.

Examples are using Whispering Dawn right before Dissipation: if you press WD, but eat the fairy before it goes off, you've just lost that regen.

Seraph is a pretty bad example of it because you only have a 20 second window to use Seraph-specific cooldowns. That means if you use Blessing on Eos, then pop Seraph, you could lose that Blessing. Then later if you pop Angel's Whisper when you only have 2 seconds left, if Seraph is doing something due to her own personal GCD she might go away before the cast goes off.

It basically means Seraph has a timer of 20s, but only like 16 are useable without eating your cooldowns.

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While i'm not sure if it's considered as ghosting, but there's also the infamous case where you can cast both Fairy CD while she's gone and Seraph is up.
I dunno how many Whispering Dawn I've lost this way;...

The Seraph uses the same 2 fairy cds except they are called a different name while shes out, if thats what u mean. Only consolation becomes a completely seperate skill to Fey Blessing, while Aetherpact is killed off

another way is to put dissipation and seraph also on fey GCD ... but then would be annoying coz you'd want to disspate but have to wait for fey to use her abilities before disappearing ...

or as said, WD, FU, FB and so on should be OGCD for eos and she casts them fast and not every 3sec

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Originally Posted by Impurrrsive

Ghosting is when u press the skill button and the skill did not execute, but it goes to cd

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And is utterly infuriating.

https://i.imgur.com/XIz4sfM_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium

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Originally Posted by Brandedblade

https://i.imgur.com/XIz4sfM_d.jpg?ma...idelity=medium

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It's still pretty unclear what this means. They've addressed the ghosting at the very least, what the drawback is if any is anyone's guess.