How would they even make another healer job though?

SE has shot themselves hard in the foot, they don't add a 4th healer then it will be 3 full expansions without one and honestly way too long to not show they have no clue what to do, they do add one well it probably have the same sort of issues all healers are suffering from right now because they cannot put the hammer down, they either try to bash something in(SB lillies) or bash stuff out of place(pets/ast/dps side of healers) rather than taking the chisel like they use to do with HW.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

ask yosida then cause thats what he claimed in one of his interviews as to why no 4th healer and his answer was cause of the unbalance the healers have.

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Yep. My point is that it's a crappy excuse to exclude a role from any new jobs for 6 years. (Longer if no healers come in 6.0).


I mean, come on. The real reason was they wanted to focus their devs on DPS since that's what most people play, with a secondary allotment to tanks. Healers are niche and hard to market. The "We're going to focus on balancing the healers" line over the last two expacs has just been to soften the blow and make healers feel like they're not being neglected.

I'd like to heal my comrades by throwing potions at them.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd like to heal my comrades by throwing potions at them.

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Chemist would be awesome.

SE's guide to making a healer job
Estimated time required: 2 expansions worth of development cycles
1) Compile n healers' abilities into a giant list
2) Throw out half of the list
3) Divide what's left n+1 ways

Please look forward to it.

There are so many flavors for healers left, it's not just about who shields and who regens but about HOW they do it.
Job mechanics and job gauges are the true flavor of jobs, not the shields or the regens.

Things like:
- totem healer, who places totems on the ground which have short durations and various effects, can be triggered manually like Earthly Star and/ or work automatically like SCH fairy while also having a base toolkit of ST/ AoE heals. Also a lot of room for raid support or debuffs
- melee healer, who relies on charging up its stronger heals with melee attacks and combos, probably with some dmg to heal conversion aswell while also having a baseline set of casted heals. Utilizing your combos properly is simply more effective compared to baseline [insert fancy name for Cure II/ Bene II equivalent] spam. Think of e.g. a melee attack that stacks a buff that can be consumed for a strong oGCD heal
- combo healer in general who is good at preparing heals and triggering them when needed, a bit like current Horoscope from AST. Baseline heals are probably a bit weaker than those of the other healers, because it relies on proper preparation. Another way would be to stack buffs by using attack skills. Say attack A stacks buff A, attack B stacks buff B etc. and one stack of A + B can be consumed to use heal X, A + C for heal Y etc, not unlike how Mudras can be combined. Obviously also complemented with casted heals so you always have a solid base.
- damage conversion healer who can be designed to either heal the party by applying buffs to them/ debuffs to the enemies so they heal themselves with attacks or who convert their own damage into healing or a bit of both. Obviously also needs also a toolkit of basic heals and since consistent healing is rarely needed, it could work in a way that overhealing gradually stacks a shield with a certain limit based on max HP.
- potion healer who relies on non-magical ways to heal (potions, salves etc.) and can both apply them to allies aswell as throw mixtures on the ground for certain effects. You can throw a potion at an ally for strong ST heal or throw it at the ground for AoE heal in an area. Both instant heal and regen effects are possible. Think of healing vapours.
You can even make them trigger on contact which would allow strategically placing them in certain spots beforehand and have players trigger them by walking close. Works in random content aswell because if you throw them at the tanks feets (or better yet, straight in his face), he obviously touches it right away

There a lot of possible concepts than can be adjusted to fit the game's design. Wether they rely on regens, shields or direct healing isn't the primary question. Two direct healers can play completely different.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Fourth tank could heal through dealing damage.

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Don't all of the tanks do that except for PLD who has an actual heal.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Don't all of the tanks do that except for PLD who has an actual heal.

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GNB does through its normal combo, though it's nothing major.

SE has designed themselves into a literal corner when it comes to healers and they probably have no idea what to do at this point.

I've lost all faith in them regarding healers.

And I've healed 2.0 to 5.0 and essentially gave it up.

But on topic:

1) SE bites the bullet and makes AST a shield or regen based healer and then makes the 4th healer the opposite. 2 shield based, 2 regen based. I mean double down on this. No more SCH with regens or WHM with shielding. A 4th healer would actually make it easier for them to do this as there would be a second option to chose from if you didn't like whm or sch.

2) Channel based healer, good to combo with regens ( the netcode is crap and this won't work).

3) Totem based with buffs, ala WoW Shaman

4) Mix based (think ninja but with heals). Again NIN mudra has sucked since implemented due to the netcode so this is out.

5) DPS based healing (Chloromancer from RIFT). You have some solid heals but a good chunk of your healing comes from damaging mobs. More support oriented.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Yep. My point is that it's a crappy excuse to exclude a role from any new jobs for 6 years. (Longer if no healers come in 6.0).

Healers are niche and hard to market. The "We're going to focus on balancing the healers" line over the last two expacs has just been to soften the blow and make healers feel like they're not being neglected.

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Yep, that's the reason their ffxiv "mascot" Y'shtola job changed from CNJ to BLM. You can't market healers.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

Adding another healer would frankly be a dumb move. Everyone would be better off if they took all the ideas they may have from a new healer job and distribute those ideas to the current healers to help differentiate them.

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So a whole role gets no fun new toys like everyone else? Where's the parity in that? One of the fun t hings about Final Fantasy XI and XIV is they add jobs. To ignore healers just because SE is inept at designing them. . . well I don't know if that's a game I want to play anymore because I love to heal. And if I'm not going to get new healers I have little to no incentive to play.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner

ask yosida then cause thats what he claimed in one of his interviews as to why no 4th healer and his answer was cause of the unbalance the healers have.

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Do you think that healers need balancing first?