It's Time: THE TACKLE BOX.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's also time to remind people that the developers have said they can't implement a tackle box without taking up what could otherwise be general inventory slots...

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Originally Posted by Angellos

If you even vaguely understand programming (Even giving the benefit of the doubt that it's spaghetti code)

Yes they can.

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Cool. Show us how SE adding a tackle box will let me use those 40 or however many slots for storing my crafting reagents and ring overflow instead of only bait and lures (and possibly seafood).

At the same time, show me how I can use the offhand compartment in my Armory Chest to store my dyes and housing interior fixtures. I only have 12 offhands so there are 23 slots going to waste that I would dearly love to use for other things.

No, they can't with their code. Every game allots characters a maximum amount of storage space. What gets restricted to one item type becomes storage space lost to other items types. Better to have everything general use so players can store what's relevant to their game play.

At least the saddlebag is a separate container from your general inventory so you can sort specific item types into as you like to find things easier. What would be helpful is for SE to detach it from the chocobo so it can be accessed at any time, then allow us to choose bait/lures stored in it just as we can choose those stored in our general inventory.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Yes, obviously by my picture I am using my saddlebag as my tacklebox...which means I can't use my saddlebag for more...useful things. I for one like to have bait on hand, for whatever fish I may need to go after next for whatever reason. It's more efficient to have it all on me than to have to stop, run back to a housing ward or a specific NPC, go to the scrip NPC, then run back out to my fishing hole (And maybe miss my time window for the catch, or drastically reduce my time to catch said fish by all the running around.)

I would argue if not a tacklebox, perhaps everyone can simply get a gathering tab - where crafting materials go directly into that bag. (Including bait.) I'd even be happy with something like that and I'm sure our botanists and miners would also be happy with something along those lines.

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No, I wouldn't. I want all storage to be general storage so when I don't fill out the space with one item type, I can use it for others.

An improved sorting system would be nice but not restricted storage.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Cool. Show us how SE adding a tackle box will let me use those 40 or however many slots for storing my crafting reagents and ring overflow instead of only bait and lures (and possibly seafood).

At the same time, show me how I can use the offhand compartment in my Armory Chest to store my dyes and housing interior fixtures. I only have 12 offhands so there are 23 slots going to waste that I would dearly love to use for other things.

No, they can't with their code. Every game allots characters a maximum amount of storage space. What gets restricted to one item type becomes storage space lost to other items types. Better to have everything general use so players can store what's relevant to their game play.

At least the saddlebag is a separate container from your general inventory so you can sort specific item types into as you like to find things easier. What would be helpful is for SE to detach it from the chocobo so it can be accessed at any time, then allow us to choose bait/lures stored in it just as we can choose those stored in our general inventory.

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You're not thinking outside of the tacklebox at all, and are fixated on the concept of a zero sum inventory count. There are multiple ways something like this could be implemented that don't even take up inventory slots at all.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

You're not thinking outside of the tacklebox at all, and are fixated on the concept of a zero sum inventory count. There are multiple ways something like this could be implemented that don't even take up inventory slots at all.

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If they get stored somewhere else like a currency it still runs into server stability issues they described when character data gets too bloated. I don't know if this is possible but maybe they could do it so that bait data is only accessed when you commence fishing (which may incur a slight wait time before you can select the bait) and it's not being accessed in any other situations so it doesn't cause server issues when people are switching zones and stuff. But also yeah it's a bit of a non issue, people can just manage their items better, only carry what they need.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

If they get stored somewhere else like a currency it still runs into server stability issues they described when character data gets too bloated. I don't know if this is possible but maybe they could do it so that bait data is only accessed when you commence fishing.

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I was thinking it would be something like the armoire or even the fishing log window (with all baits listed and current stored inventory count for each) and would only be accessible by the system when you access the bait window when on fisher.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

At least the saddlebag is a separate container from your general inventory so you can sort specific item types into as you like to find things easier. What would be helpful is for SE to detach it from the chocobo so it can be accessed at any time, then allow us to choose bait/lures stored in it just as we can choose those stored in our general inventory.

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The reason you can't take the saddlebag anywhere (I assume you mean instances) is because all data in our inventory has to be transferred along with us. The intent of the saddlebag is to create some disconnected inventory that doesn't have to get transferred. You functionally do leave it behind and not carry it with you into the dungeon.


I suspect the coding for bait specifically includes instructions to look for baits in the inventory, deduct one [used bait] from inventory when you cast your line, etc. Maybe they can recode that, or maybe they don't want to fiddle with it.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

They "work" in the sense that every fish will go for that bait.
Generally not something a fisher would want, when going for a specific fish.

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Maybe what we need is a fishing skill that would allow us to choose a particular fish type and make it somewhat more likely to be caught. If we could get away from bait choice being the only way to target specific fish, then maybe the boilies could finally be useful.

If they can't make it work with inventory slots, make it similar to the spearfishing gigs where the lures are simply selected from a list. You can make them crafts or cost scrips or available for purchase which simply unlocks them on your list. Sure, it means you can't lose lures and don't need stacks of 99 bait, but that isn't the real difficulty in fishing, just a tedious extra.

I'd like to have a go at the more difficult big fish achievements for the shiny rod, but until they add a tackle box I just don't have the inventory space.

Rather than being items, bait should just be currency, in the tackle box tab.

Really same for all tokens, totems and tomes.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

No, they can't with their code. Every game allots characters a maximum amount of storage space. What gets restricted to one item type becomes storage space lost to other items types. Better to have everything general use so players can store what's relevant to their game play.

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Storage wise, a dynamic inventory is generaly a bit more problematic because more info has to be stored (location, type, value). A static inventory like a tackle box only needs 1 value as the location and type in the inventory are static, this can potentialy reduce the storage of such data by a third. Sure, code wise this might not be the easiest change, but if it is this much of a problem, there is very likely a deeper issue that must be resolved.

Storage wise, we can give an idea of how much it will cost though:
If each tackletype can hold a storage of 1000, then you will need 10 bits per tackle, which is normaly rounded up to 16. But why not limit it to 250 then (8 bits)?
Then lets say we have 100 tackle types, and 10m characters (inactive accounts still matter). This means in the 1 byte per tackle system, all this data adds up to 1GB. This on its own might not be a hassle though, but this does exclude any overhead and optimizations.

So it is quite heavy on the data here for something 90% of the players probably doesnt use. Compression might help, but in a game is usualy not a viable system if data must be transferred. And unlike crafting, 100 tackles vs 24 crystals is a major diffirence in balancing forced inventory.

Simplification must happen here if tackles are no longer part of the dynamic inventory.