Can We Talk about how PF on Aether Locks out NIN for E4S

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

SB did not undergo revamps and skill pruning to anywhere near the level of ShB, which I think is probably the main culprit for the current class imbalances.

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No, it did. The transition from HW to SB was the biggest ability pruning the game has ever seen. ShB is quaint by comparison, short of a class that got a major rework like MCH. HW's primary class design goal was literally to remove layers from every class because they made the game way too hard to play in HW with a gap between skill floors and skill ceilings being as wide as the grand canyon. Hell, SB basically killed the concept of a DoT class in FFXIV. Neither SMN nor BRD left HW as a DoT management class even though they entered it as one. And I think literally every single class lost a DoT to manage, short of like...Paladin, who technically lost one but we don't talk about fracture. And BLM, but it technically lost DoTs that screwed up its pre-70 rotation by not having Thunder 1 anymore, a core part of the level 50 and 60 rotation because thunder 1 was cheaper and better to use for ST back when thunder 3 cost 3.5 seconds to cast it.

ShB is seriously tame by comparison to SB.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

alot of stuff was just in a bad spot
SCH,MCH,DRG,MNK,BLM,WHM,DRK,SMN and WAR

ShB launch was alot better balance wise than SB

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ah oki, im guessing after 5.1 we can hope for a stronger balance then? haha

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Originally Posted by Drayos

ah oki, im guessing after 5.1 we can hope for a stronger balance then? haha

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Yes and no. Because for instance, 4.X patches have buffed WAR, SCH and AST so hard that they became virtually mandatory for any high end content.
So it's not impossible that 5.1 brings back NIN in the raid scene while completely negating SAM's existence. Same for SMN against BLM or RDM. That's kind of the problem of buffs and reworks.

SE should redeem their screw-up, and send every player in the game the E4S Ninja weapon in Mog Mail.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

I have to admit, during SB launch was the balance this whack? I didn’t join this game til the very end of SB.

But when I looked at logs and more numbers were closer together, RDM was 1100 dps apart and now 2700 apart from BLM.

Is it normal for balance to start this whacky? RDM and ninjas are basically benched by the community but these are the two who seem so far helped the least?

While monks and stuff overperform and seem to be the fotm

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Put it this way HW launch AST was unusable in later savage fights because of gross undertuning in every aspect heals, buffs and damage, heals got fixed a few weeks after savage buffs by 3.2 and then the overtuning began.

HW launch Brd was better to not use wanderer's minuet(which canceled autos and gave gcds cast times), Mch rng was too much for way too little pay off with barely anything helping with those procs, Pld had low magic defense abilities in a tier where everything(apart from a few autos) were magical damage from bosses, War's Raw Intuition worked with heals, as in a war pops it and could get garenteed crits from heals including sch and they could spread that crit shield everytime.

I could go further but yea balance is always outta whack at expansion launches and from what i have seen ShB is not that bad there are very much problems that need addressing but compared to previous eh it is serviceable.

Don't worry, the locking out is on Elemental as well; there are a number of parties not allowing Nins on the Japanese side and English side for E4s aim to clear parties....

It seriously sucks that checking the numbers can be so depressing...

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Originally Posted by Mansion

Yes and no. Because for instance, 4.X patches have buffed WAR, SCH and AST so hard that they became virtually mandatory for any high end content.
So it's not impossible that 5.1 brings back NIN in the raid scene while completely negating SAM's existence. Same for SMN against BLM or RDM. That's kind of the problem of buffs and reworks.

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but NIN buffs wouldnt solo Remove SAM, As the comps used are 1 Ranged 1 Caster 2 Melee, So unless DRG/Monk remain above SAM could see a Way into being atleast on par :P i'd pressume they're either nerfing DRG and Monk or buffing SAM realistically..

my concern is that atm it seems like every jobs balanced Excluding the top 3, if u take them off the DPS Charts u actually reliese theres only like a 200 RDPS Gap between us, litterally Bard v Summoner is like 11 DPS Difference on titan Savage currently :P, its the top 3 being thousands above which seems to be the problem.. if they take the buffing route though i can see some problems arising quickly... i guess atleast if they're Looking back onto 5.08 in 5.1 we may something by 5.1 haha xD

i've seen a few E3S clears with nin locked out. Dps checks have just made people feel its impossible with them.(it's not)

You don't want to be in those parties anyways.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You don't want to be in those parties anyways.

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very much true. from sounds of it most of them end up being wipe parties and rage quitters lol