Fear of playing a DPS

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Originally Posted by Drayos

They really aren’t in SHB :p it’s aoe isn’t much better then a white mage at 99 percentile.

Also. It’s st is one of the worst in the game. Embolden doesn’t line up with your own burst. So u tend to not favour, and it’s much easier to end up in a magical group where it’s effect isn’t amazing either.

RDM is one of the weakest jobs currently.

Dragoon / monk / BLM are the kings of dps currently.

And before we say who dies how regularly do u honestly see deaths in DF content it’s not nessercary outside the initial day of content release for most

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Yes. In the 2% of content they are weak.

Everywhere else, they're great. Didn't sound like he was raiding. Fates, world quests, deep dungeon, Eureka, old dungeon farming, etc (AKA 98% of the content) the Red Mage is undisputed.

I main DPS, not because I can’t handle the responsibility or stress from playing tank or healer but DPS can kill stuffs faster than tank and healer.
Its that simple for my case.

DPS just have less visible consequences, but they're just as necessary as any other job.
The argument that if a dps die you can just go on and if a tank die the party dies is not all there's to it. If you play tank and pull as much as you can in dungeon you should be able to see the difference between a team with dps taking ages to kill down a pack while you runs out of CDs, healer running out of mp and eventually die being forced to pull less. And a good party where the dps will burst the pack so fast the tank will barely have time to lose hp and the healer will be more comfortable to dps. Making the run much smoother and faster.

So yeah, your party might not die but you can easily end up spending much more time in a dungeon with 2 bad dps than you would with a tank dying a couple of time and wiping the party. Same idea for bosses, sure a tank can solo some bosses, but will take much more time than just wiping and retrying the fight.

Also even if you're missing a tank or a healer you can take on mobs in dungeon pack per pack and still be fine. Dungeons are really the lowest difficulty content and nobody's going to use them to judge the necessity of a role.

End of the day you'd have to get a really terrible tank or healer to make a dungeon not clearable. The difference will always mostly be the time the dungeon will take and that is influenced the most by the dps. A group with bad dps will take around 30 minutes to clear a dungeon, a group with good ones 15 minutes.
The only thing I expect from the tank is staying alive and for the healer it's to keep the tank alive. If they can manage that bare minimum then the dps are the one whose performance will impact the run the most.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Yes. In the 2% of content they are weak.

Everywhere else, they're great. Didn't sound like he was raiding. Fates, world quests, deep dungeon, Eureka, old dungeon farming, etc (AKA 98% of the content) the Red Mage is undisputed.

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If your talking 50 trials sure it’s damn strong, I wouldn’t consider that to be 98% of content though and I wouldn’t consider old content a good bases to claim on current.

But In level 80 trials and extremes RDM is weak, he did actually mention them but said also he feels in dungeons is where deaths are more noticeable because u don’t have the same rezz power behind a random group as a planned one.

Old content you may see due to roulettes doesn’t make RDM king. As litterally every job can do that now :p they’ve become even easier this expansion to do.

I'm a bit of a black sheep it seems. I main healer, played paladin, but enjoy playing black mage because the cast times and enochian require me to do more than just play. I need to know a fight. Where to stand, when the phase change is, what mechanics and when. The less I know, the more mistakes I'll make. This translates into dealing less damage. So I enjoy black mage because it's a class that needs to be very aware of their situation.

I don't see why you shouldn't play a DPS. Much in the same way I encourage DPS players to play a tank and healer. So you can see the other side of the coin. So you can see what It's like to play that role. It helps a ton overall in player goodwill and understanding.

DPS also have more challenging skill sets for the most part (few exceptions). When you add in much of the movement involved as DPS, it makes the actual process of dungeons more enjoyable. In other words, you give up a little bit of personal feelgood (which is really all that the whole "responsibility" thing is about, making you feel good about helping the group) to gain a more interesting dungeon run.

Plus, this game does better then many MMO's on putting pressure on DPS. with all the movement and repositioning + DPS checks in progression content. DPS tend to be pretty busy in a dungeon run.

To finish, I'd also suggest that if you want a blend of the two concepts (DPS + helping out the party), I'd suggest one of the support classes. Both BRD and DNC have enjoyable and interesting skill sets, and they benefit the group with party wide buffs and some heals. I play both at 70+, and they are both quite enjoyable and involved.

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Originally Posted by Drayos

They really aren’t in SHB :p it’s aoe isn’t much better then a white mage at 99 percentile.

Also. It’s st is one of the worst in the game. Embolden doesn’t line up with your own burst. So u tend to not favour, and it’s much easier to end up in a magical group where it’s effect isn’t amazing either.

RDM is one of the weakest jobs currently.

Dragoon / monk / BLM are the kings of dps currently.

And before we say who dies how regularly do u honestly see deaths in DF content it’s not nessercary outside the initial day of content release for most

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RDM is good enough for all current content and relatively easy to pick up.

Also, emphasis on ALL content. Hunt train? Be the hero raising people dying to aoes they can't see under 300 players. New eureka grind fest comes out for shadowbringers? Same point, also cozy. New deep dungeon comes out? You're the only job that can do the competitive solo runs.

Edit: didn't see Kabooa already covered this.

I do DPS on big raids and stuff where a tank would need to know special mechanics or a healer might be caught off guard. Essentially i dps as recon and also for fun. Some of them have really cool and enjoyable mechanics and rotations

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Originally Posted by Zerathor

RDM is good enough for all current content and relatively easy to pick up.

Also, emphasis on ALL content. Hunt train? Be the hero raising people dying to aoes they can't see under 300 players. New eureka grind fest comes out for shadowbringers? Same point, also cozy. New deep dungeon comes out? You're the only job that can do the competitive solo runs.

Edit: didn't see Kabooa already covered this.

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while i agree RDM is very good in Solo content, and is great in Deep Dungeons. (although we wont know which job gets the best out of this realistically this time round)

RDM is actually proven at this point so far behind the belt, it can cause a group to not meet current raid DPS Checks :P, are we forgetting a 60 percentile BLM is Stronger DPS Wise then a RDM?

being a Rezz bot doesnt make a job Optimal, Nor Strong. it is ment to be a DPS Role, not a Healer, so telling your RDM to go afk til someone dies for his moment of fame is hardly a Balanced Job, The job can cater to roulettes (due to its massively Overpowered level 50 state compared to other jobs) Solo game play (it was very strong in HoH, however saying its the only job isnt correct, jobs are competing against their own jobs only. as the List does not mix jobs so no. its not the only job which can compete nor is it the only job thats ever reached floor 100) and Fates/Eureka due to a Rezz Spam ability.

also. 90% of the jobs are now Relatively easy to pick up.

servers are being DDos Attacked for past week how do we report this, noticed theres been alot of HUGE Lag Spikes Recently Square usually fixes it when its notice-able, but there's been no twitter feed for this.