How will future advanced jobs work?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Isaveron

Bard was suppose to be a class, but it's a job now. And they can easily get rid of the musketeer (and arcanist) guilds in the map revamp

---

When did they ever mention BRD as a class? Arcanist and Musketeer have been confirmed to be classes, and they were next in line to be implemented under Tanaka's plan, however Yoshi P came in and felt there needs to be more balance between physical and mage class choices and thus he wants to prioritize magic-based classes a bit before getting to musketeer.

That being said, we already know that each class will have at least 1 job, and that they were at some point exploring the concept of jobs that branch from a combination of multiple classes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Volsung

basically im hoping they add more weapon classes as the future comes and eventually give at least every class 1-2 jobs, (then they can add w/e advanced jobs they want that are mix and match or function differently)

Like if they add Musketeer, a DD with a gun as a base job class, you will get its abilities, traits, and weaponskills, then add jobs on top of it. Perhaps one job could be Pistolero, which has strong enfeeblements and focuses on staying DD, and another could be puppetmaster, and it could be a versatile pet job ontop of the gun class. Not saying this are things that should happen, but there is a lot of room for them to wiggle with.

---

Hmm, I thought the only way puppetmaster would be my favorite again is if it still was hand2hand based. But I might actually enjoy puppetmaster if it had guns too. I like that idea.

I wouldn't say a mage class is the next in line, even if Yoshi-p said he would like more magic classes.

Isn't the whole point of the latest poll to determine what class is most wanted.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinko

I wouldn't say a mage class is the next in line, even if Yoshi-p said he would like more magic classes.

Isn't the whole point of the latest poll to determine what class is most wanted.

---

This is true. He did say at one point he wanted to prioritize mage classes, but then he effectively decided to ask the playerbase.

The job system can easily be expanded in the future. if the cap is raised to 60 that's 2 more abilities per job and whatever number of passive abilities as well (I think jobs need this bad right now).

It's the mix of classes that can really shine here to create new jobs. That plus the introduction of new classes to mix things up. Something like a katana can then branch to Ninja and samurai. A dagger can bring in THF and assassin. Yes, that means that a NIN will have 7 abilities different from a SAM (plus sub abilities from different jobs), but those could mean a lot if tested and used right.

Just think of the possibilities. FF Tactics come to mind :)

If you guys were paying attention but alot of people sadly weren't ...

You'd have already noticed that jobs are already prepped for multiple different combinations.
After you take a base class and its 2 supporting class's skills, its not hard to see what kind of job best fullfills that role.

Ill use an exist job, bard as an example then go on to something else.

Bard is a support/DD. You run between party groups to give buffs while keeping your main target on the enemy. Normally, an archer is free to just wail away, but a bard adds the ability to keep party members fresh on MP, TP and Accuracy, not to mention if you've leveled THM, you get Resonance which makes it easyer to get songs to far members. And if you leveled CNJ Sacred Prism and Stoneskin further your support status.

Now take something like Dark Knight.
The best fit here is Lancer. Yes, lancer at first glance is just Dragoon, but think about it, Dragoon optimized Lancer for High Damage and quick disappearance via jump. Dark Knight is a job that eats its own HP to deal damage while having High draining potency, capitalizing on Lancer's life surge and power surge. In FFXIV, building a DRK would actually have tank Potential. I've ran into Lancers tanking before so I wouldn't rule it out. While your defense isn't great, you have the ability to drain massive amounts of HP and sustain your life. The two supporting jobs that best fit for Dark Knight are Marauder, and Thaumaturge. Marauder give access to provoke, blood bath and foresight, making it increase its tank potential. Thaumaturge gives way to Dark Seal, Necrogenesis Fire and Thunder. If I developed DK I would give it Drain, so you use Dark Seal with Drain to Increase Accuracy of Drain, Fire, or Thunder. Also use necrogenesis for increased self heal sustaining. Fire and Thunder also will give an edge when fighting mobs weak to those elements.
And so yeah... That ladies and gentlemen is the essence of a Dark Knight.

If you want to know how a new job would function all you essentially have to do I make one up and think of the mechanics.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AceofRains

If you guys were paying attention but alot of people sadly weren't ...

You'd have already noticed that jobs are already prepped for multiple different combinations.
After you take a base class and its 2 supporting class's skills, its not hard to see what kind of job best fullfills that role.

If you want to know how a new job would function all you essentially have to do I make one up and think of the mechanics.

---

I'm talking about jobs which require entirely new skill sets that don't currently exist. No matter how hard you try, you cannot make a Blue Mage or Ninja with what we have, they both have their own completely unique and vast branches of magic. Same can be said for Summoner primal abilities and Beastmaster pet controls - there's no simple version currently in game to grab a hold of and extend upon. Lore-wise and mechanics-wise, these jobs simply don't belong to any other class, or any combination thereof. I don't feel that they would mesh with the soul crystal system at all. Dark Knight was kind of an easy one, which is why I didn't mention it.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear from others that there will be new base classes, 'cause as far as I can see, this is the only way to do it well. Starting off entirely new classes at level 50 with the soul crystal system would be pretty disappointing to me - it makes sense with the current jobs, just not the ones I mentioned. That was my biggest concern.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tigercub

I'm talking about jobs which require entirely new skill sets that don't currently exist. No matter how hard you try, you cannot make a Blue Mage or Ninja with what we have, they both have their own completely unique and vast branches of magic. Same can be said for Summoner primal abilities and Beastmaster pet controls - there's no simple version currently in game to grab a hold of and extend upon. Lore-wise and mechanics-wise, these jobs simply don't belong to any other class, or any combination thereof. I don't feel that they would mesh with the soul crystal system at all. Dark Knight was kind of an easy one, which is why I didn't mention it.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear from others that there will be new base classes, 'cause as far as I can see, this is the only way to do it well. Starting off entirely new classes at level 50 with the soul crystal system would be pretty disappointing to me - it makes sense with the current jobs, just not the ones I mentioned. That was my biggest concern.

---

They can (and most probably will) introduce new classes in the future. I don't see the problems in this. Arcanist and Musketeer are already classes with guilds in the game (they can change it still). But for the jobs you mentioned, new classes can be introduced. Like I said, a katana wielding class can handle SAM and NIN. A basic mix of mage can handle SMN. while a pet class can handle beast master and puppet master.

I think it'll all differs in the traits. those need to be utilized to the fullest to differentiate those jobs. In the SAM and NIN example a NIN will get expertise in ninjetsu while a SAM will have a TP gain or something of the like (maybe 4 WS combos).

The real issue I can see is with something like the DRK. to put it as a job from say MRD (which I think it fits better than LNC) will mean you can ONLY use scythes as the job DRK and not as the class MRD. Could work, honestly better than making a whole new class using a scythe. A great sword + scythes class? perhaps.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tigercub

I'm talking about jobs which require entirely new skill sets that don't currently exist. No matter how hard you try, you cannot make a Blue Mage or Ninja with what we have, they both have their own completely unique and vast branches of magic. Same can be said for Summoner primal abilities and Beastmaster pet controls - there's no simple version currently in game to grab a hold of and extend upon. Lore-wise and mechanics-wise, these jobs simply don't belong to any other class, or any combination thereof. I don't feel that they would mesh with the soul crystal system at all. Dark Knight was kind of an easy one, which is why I didn't mention it.

Anyway, I'm glad to hear from others that there will be new base classes, 'cause as far as I can see, this is the only way to do it well. Starting off entirely new classes at level 50 with the soul crystal system would be pretty disappointing to me - it makes sense with the current jobs, just not the ones I mentioned. That was my biggest concern.

---

I have my own speculations on new classes that lead to the more quirky jobs like blue mage and summoner but thats all in the devs hands, I guess.

Although if you want, we can speculate all night, I love making job and class concepts especially posting them even if no one reads. Now that we know how the entire system works, you could come up with your own ideas, I mean whats the point of questioning whats next if we don't talk about our own ideas of whats next.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AceofRains

Now that we know how the entire system works, you could come up with your own ideas, I mean whats the point of questioning whats next if we don't talk about our own ideas of whats next.

---

That's what we're doing. We're offering our different perspectives on what would work, what wouldn't, and why. You offered an example of Dark Knight that worked quite well, I was just pointing out why it wouldn't be as easy for the other advanced jobs; that I think they would need to be their own classes. Any speculation is good. Just because we don't all agree on how it would work doesn't mean others' opinions aren't valuable.

On another note, a lot of people have said that there will be new classes. Has anyone got an official link on hand that I could read over? It would be much appreciated :) I'll look for it myself as well, but it'll probably take me a while.