Does the community ever have a constructive conversation about RMT?

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Originally Posted by Lissyl

Of course not. But it does make it kind of difficult to reasonably call others lazy just because they didn't find your 'angle'. Good luck with your moneymaking.

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People just have to know what sells. That's...basically it. I'm not calling people who are having some issues making gil lazy. I'm calling the people who buy gil lazy.

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Originally Posted by Lissyl

Do tell more. At my level 50, it sounds like it takes you 3 days to make what i have in 5 months and I craft a ton. I'm all ears....Viera jokes aside. Or is it 'I can make this much once I'm level 70 (80 now) and have a good FC and friends to run statics and and and...'? Seriously, give us worthless lazy peons some pointers.

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Yes, he has 3 classes at 80, so he's likely talking about running Treasure maps, etc. Personally, I make about 3-4 million a month completely passively from the gil earned by doing "Adventurer in Need" through roulettes and Beast tribe quests. If I actually tried to make gil actively, I could easily make multiple times that by doing treasure maps alone.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Yes, he has 3 classes at 80, so he's likely talking about running Treasure maps, etc. Personally, I make about 3-4 million a month completely passively from the gil earned by doing "Adventurer in Need" through roulettes and Beast tribe quests. If I actually tried to make gil actively, I could easily make multiple times that by doing treasure maps alone.

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That gives me something to look towards then. Thanks Kaedan. =)

I just sold 6 HQ Walnut Lumber for 10k per unit so 60K for a fairly simple processed component. You can harvest this wood at like 25 or so its right next to quarrymill. New players can feed off the rich more than anything.

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Originally Posted by Qeilos

I just sold 6 HQ Walnut Lumber for 10k per unit so 60K for a fairly simple processed component. You can harvest this wood at like 25 or so its right next to quarrymill. New players can feed off the rich more than anything.

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Exactly, I see things like, Effervescent water, granite, selling daily/hourly, for 500-1k each in stacks of 99 because there are many players who are lazy to gather themselves or would rather spend that time doing something else.

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Do tell more. At my level 50, it sounds like it takes you 3 days to make what i have in 5 months and I craft a ton.

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You're crafting the wrong things, probably.

A good night of housing items crafting makes me 8-10 mil in a day or two.

Gear and glam is incredibly volatile, but housing is pretty constant.

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Exactly, I see things like, Effervescent water, selling daily/hourly,

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Effervescent water is dumb. Its used in crafting relevant items from every expansion, has no alternate source to help control its price, and you need it in bulk.

Water gather circles are the worst.

There are a lot of things they could do to curb the RMT, but they seem convinced that weekly ban waves are somehow sufficient despite the fact that the bots are scripted to create replacement accounts literally the instant they get banned.

It's especially concerning that they don't seem to be changing things up despite the bots becoming so numerous on certain servers that they're clogging up the log-in and instance queues or even denying access to zones.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

There are a lot of things they could do to curb the RMT, but they seem convinced that weekly ban waves are somehow sufficient despite the fact that the bots are scripted to create replacement accounts literally the instant they get banned.

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Accounts aren't free. SE gets paid for each replacement. A fix stops that money flow.

The only way to actually fix this is to make the fix more lucrative than not fixing it to SE.

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Originally Posted by Mistyregions

Look at the new bed mount, in reality with a few PF you could get the mats and be done with it. Overall I see that being worth maybe 3-5 mil maximum but since prices are relative only to the wealthy they sell for 70 mil and of course people buy them amongst themselves, alienating newer players who dont have the time for multiple map runs, thus it's a time= money but in a reasonable scale. Just because 70 mil is reasonable to a rich person doesn't mean its reasonable to a average player, also reason doesn't scale upwards.

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The bed came out on Tuesday. It requires mats that take 120 hours in real time to grow via gardening. That's why it's expensive. Maybe know what your talking about before calling people "sweaty try hards" for putting time and effort into something.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Yes, he has 3 classes at 80, so he's likely talking about running Treasure maps, etc. Personally, I make about 3-4 million a month completely passively from the gil earned by doing "Adventurer in Need" through roulettes and Beast tribe quests. If I actually tried to make gil actively, I could easily make multiple times that by doing treasure maps alone.

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Tbf, it's entirely possible to start raking in the gil as soon as you've unlocked retainers, giving you access to the Marketboard minigame. That's really all it is to some players. Buy low, sell high. No other content required. If you're willing to spend much of your game time buying and selling, you can make a fortune.

It is by no means a strategy for everyone. Not everyone is going to enjoy playing that way, and that's ok. It's the sort of content that appeals to certain players, perhaps a poor application of Bartle's Taxonomy.

In a sense, that's also a sorta nice thing about the game, lack of gil sinks and all. There are so many avenues to making money, everyone has various means of amassing their fortune. Even though some players might think they're cornering a market on an item or resource, or exploiting the lazy or rich or whatever, there's plenty of ways for any player to get to the same level, and quickly.

Old rich players exist, sure. But you don't have to play the game for years to catch up to that if it's your goal.