After playing 80 Scholar for a bit, I enjoy the changes.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

The damage is just slightly higher due to lack of Protect.

What actually changed and what indirectly makes it seem like damage is higher is the healing nerf that happened as a result of healing not scaling as much as Health pools have.

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No its not. The loss of Protect is already calculated in outgoing damage. Its the same as before.

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Originally Posted by KokonoeAiyoko

Content feels a bit more intense due to the damage being done. I like the fact they gutted Scholar a bit because to be honest a lot of that stuff was unnecessary clutter for controller users.

I'm already doing enough to keep people alive as is along with the DPS moves available here combined with the mechanics of this game. I personally don't really need tons more just to have more buttons to press as I'm already pressing enough.

Scholar feels good at 80 to me and outside of Bane I don't miss anything.

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I’m a controller user who fit everything including my pets skills onto 3 nice, distinct hot bars and will never celebrate the gutting that happened.

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Originally Posted by Laphael

No no, you don´t understand, ppl like tikiwiki are just too good for this game.

I feel, like the health pools got bigger, incoming dmg is the same if compared to the HP, but the outgoing heals didn´t go up.
During SB an excog would put the tank to full health (healing like 50 % of his hp), now it only gets him up to around 75% (so only 25% of his hp).

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You would be correct. Theorycrafters have already figured out healing did not scale at all from Stormblood. You do approximately the same healing at 80 as you did at 70. Which is among the myriad of reasons healers feel jipped this expansion.

Leveling dungeons are also a very poor indicator of actual outgoing damage because unlike any other content in the game, they scale based on level instead of ilevel. That being said, I actually found many of the Shadowbringer dungeons to be easier than Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

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No, we should call out statements that don’t mesh with reality.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

No its not. The loss of Protect is already calculated in outgoing damage. Its the same as before.

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Yes it is. Are you telling me they went back to every single encounter to account for the loss of Protect?

As for current content, it might be included, but how you know this is a mystery. Would you mind sharing the in-depth comparisons you've made to conclude that it's "the same as before"?

Regardless, Protect is a nothingburger.

Health Pools have increased by 50-60% (so far). Healing potencies have NOT increased by 50%.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

No, we should call out statements that don’t mesh with reality.

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Your reality. Somebody enjoying something is enjoying it, just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Somebody enjoying something is enjoying it, just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't.

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And a relative handful of people enjoying the new version of a Job that, in many respects, is completely different from its predecessor of six years doesn't mean that the people dissatisfied are obligated or required to enjoy the NGE'd version, nor are they required to keep quiet about their dissatisfaction.

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

The damage is just slightly higher due to lack of Protect.

What actually changed and what indirectly makes it seem like damage is higher is the healing nerf that happened as a result of healing not scaling as much as Health pools have.

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It actually seems to be that SE went and increased auto-attack damage in Stormblood dungeons and carried over the trend into the new Shadowbringers dungeons. This becomes relevant when you realize that Awareness was removed in 5.0 and that the true reason why big pulls are ripping a new one into tanks are because of critical hits from multiple auto-attack sources.

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Originally Posted by TonberiScholar

And a relative handful of people enjoying the new version of a Job that, in many respects, is completely different from its predecessor of six years doesn't mean that the people dissatisfied are obligated or required to enjoy the NGE'd version, nor are they required to keep quiet about their dissatisfaction.

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RIP SWG.

However, there's literally a billion threads you can voice your discontent. It doesn't have to bleed into literally every thread not explicitly about it.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Your reality. Somebody enjoying something is enjoying it, just because you aren't doesn't mean they aren't.

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Not saying they can’t enjoy the state of SCH, but the assertion that content is doing more damage in ShB doesn’t mesh with what many of us have experienced.

And content doesn’t do a variable amount of damage dependent on the person running it. Many of us have figured out how to quickly and efficiently deal with incoming damage with SCH’s overstuffed tool bag...and it inevitably leads to long stretches of brainless broil spamming (or AoW spam).