Why Eden is not MSQ?

i think it could either become part of msq (part of it) or it become something like "rabanastre arc" important.

i would be livid if this eden thingy continue on and we later stumble upon the ruin of...

Balamb Garden

i mean, its vast desert out there, its basically huge empty space that yoshi can put whatever he want

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Originally Posted by Barraind

I imagine we wont actually do that until 6.0, when we figure out a way to get our buddies off the first.

"We know you expected to go to Garlemald and finish that storyline, but please take this detour so we can go there next expansion instead".

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We know that Elidibus's immediate goal is to keep us mired on the first for as long as possible out of spite, having thrown caution to the wind by revealing everything to Zenos. Tataru also says, upon your return, that she'd be getting in touch with Estinien soon for a progress report. Finish matters on the First -> march north because Varis is dead and his son wants to eat a god seems like a fairly straightforward path.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

We know that Elidibus's immediate goal is to keep us mired on the first for as long as possible out of spite, having thrown caution to the wind by revealing everything to Zenos. Tataru also says, upon your return, that she'd be getting in touch with Estinien soon for a progress report. Finish matters on the First -> march north because Varis is dead and his son wants to eat a god seems like a fairly straightforward path.

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Ya from how things goes we can expect the return to the source being 5.3 then after that it is finally going into Garlean Empire (or atleast the set up to get into the place) in 5.4 to 5.5 then we meet the Finale of this long Season 1 storyline in 6.0 where Zodiark/Ascians are finally defeated in whatever means the finale of this long story has prepared for even if it is a Crazy God powered Zenos as the Finale boss that has gone full Kefka on the World.

Then from there was can only assume what the new Storyline set after the Defeat of Zodiark/ Ascians maybe.

In all honestly, i still think the Zodiark/Ascian vs Hydaelyn Storyline has been dragged on long enough for it to finally end in 6.0. The entire set up is now set for it as well by the end of 5.0 so it is only a matter of the Journey towards that long awaited finale in 6.0.

I mean, there's also the problem of Eden being made up of 12 trial fights in a row. It couldn't stay as it is now and be added to the MSQ requirements. That many trials, particularly in a row, just to advance the overall story would be nuts.

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Originally Posted by Felien

On this expansion fells a real waste of nice content.

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Raids are never part of the MSQ. They are always side content.

With the addition of Normal Mode 8man content, there is no reason not to have MSQ story content associated to it. Even if people dont like "raiding", the content is fairly easy and you only need to do it once to get the story out of it.

It should be forced, even if you dont care and dont like it you might got the time to do it ONCE in all the time between the patches. even now you already easily carry some dead weight sooo whatever.

I just feel its stupid for the writers to have to write around it. It already was with CT. Imo, id make the last 4.55 quest GO AND CONQUER THAT TOWER in case ppl didnt already, there were plenty of nervs and tons of time - AND that event too. just let the MSQ branch in ok we look for that device or ok we gotta open that tower.

Mhach was one thing, the Ivalice raids were... well it was ok but still a pity for it, but CT and Omega, nw Eden should be forced... you cant go like "nah not gonna fight shinryu not feeling like it" either after all.

You need to do MSQ to unlock Eden, ergo Eden is MSQ. :)

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

There is a high chance Eden may become one of those "will happen no matter what" events with the only difference being if WoL took part in it or not.

For Crystal Tower story we know it happens no matter what but the difference is that WoL did not get involve or did get involved in team NOAH.

For Eden's case it may focus on Ryne, Thancred, and Urianger resolved Eden's events without WoL's help if WoL "choose" not to do Eden Raid thus anything Eden related will then only mention Ryne, Thancred, and Urianger but if WoL does take part a 3rd Dialogue option opens that will result in a alternate dialogue including WoL.

They are exploring Alternate Dialogue paths now with 5.0 expansion which we see in the MSQ.

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As Dualblade said, that isn't how it works. They've been "exploring multiple dialogue paths" since right back in ARR, and no quest events ever happen without us being there. If you skip an optional-but-important storyline, later quests will not claim those events happened, and may outright indicate they haven't.

If you haven't done the Crystal Tower, the game does not - cannot - assume it happened and you weren't present. You need to be there for that part of G'raha's storyline, because he remembers you being there in his past, whether you've personally been through it yet or not.

If you haven't done the Crystal Tower yet, variable dialogue reflects that. The Exarch tells Urianger that you are yet to meet his past self.

At the same time, CT has a designated place in the storyline, and completing it post-Shadowbringers would "slot it in" to that earlier time rather than adding it afterwards - as long as you tick "reflect quest progression" when you rewatch the cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

Any particular reason why making it MSQ instead of a raid would be better? Anythign other than "I don't like raiding".

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Only reason I can think of is to avoid repeating what we have with MSQ roulette (Castrum and Prae).