Divination & Math - Is it worth using in dungeons? Only in specific situations?

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Honestly with a 3m CD, Sleeve Draw needs to fill everything up like it used to before. Randomize the 3 seals gained so it's not always max dmg.

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This sounds good, in fact...

Sleeve Draw:
Gives you 2 CD free Draws (3 is unnecessary if you’ve just used one, and less Draws to try to weave)
Generates 3 random seals (thus why only 2 Draws are necessary, no matter what seals you get, you only need 2 to fix it)
Reduces the cooldown of Divination by 60s. (adds in a Divination buff via a reduced cooldown, but only from level 70 onwards)

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned as well is that iirc Divination stacks with normal cards. So that 6% aoe could be in conjunction with a Lord or Lady on one of the DPS. I'm not positive since I haven't tested it myself but I do remember reading that in another thread somewhere that they stack.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Diviniation is a free additional buff

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obviously, no matter what, OGCD skills are going to be "worth it"
so i don't understand the direction of this post

you're reducing a few cards damage, by a few %, to get an AoE buff that has more damage
of course it's "worth it"

the real problem is, no, it's not "free"
this whole card mechanic is taking up 7 buttons on our bar
not only is that the definition of button bloat (one mechanic that relies on each other for applying a damage buff that's mediocre at best), but that's losing us other "useful" buttons

on top of other lower potencies, but these can be ignored, assuming they'll be fixed, or if the card system itself actually made up for the lack of potencies

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Originally Posted by BahamutxD

the time lost could had gone for 1-2 malefic casts and totally ruins the debate about Divination being worth or not.

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this makes no sense
again, it's OGCD
it doesn't get in the way of Malefic casts at all

but yea, it's definitely just a poorly designed, clunky mechanic overall that needs to be overhauled again if they refuse to revert it, which, fine, that's perfectly fair, if it was too strong and they couldn't balance it, what ever, sure

but seriously

don't give us this garbage in return

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

You have 2 DPS though, and chances are if ones ranged and the other's melee, then you'll be giving both of them cards.
So even discounting both Tank and Healer completely...

With Div:
3 x 6% + 2 x 6%(from Div) + 3 x 8% = 54% over 3 minutes
No Div:
6 x 8% = 48% over 3 minutes

If you consider Tank and Healer combined to match up with one DPS (Tank damage is approx. 70% of a DPS, Healer is approx. 50%, but with more downtime in dungeons could drop it a bit more) then the Diviniation rotations goes up to 60% over 3 minutes.


Or another way to think about it...

Diviniation is a free additional buff on top of all of your other cards, and it equals 6%.

In order to use it, you need to reduce three of your 8% cards down to 6%. That's a loss of 6%.
So for one DPS, it's breaking even, and the AoE effect of Divination on your other DPS is a gain.

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This is bad math. You have to remember that your percentages are against the entire party. A 8% buff isn't 8% on the whole party unless you put it on the whole party. It's 6 x 8% / # in party. If it's a 4 man, you're down to 12%. if it's an 8 man, you're down to 6%.

And it gets worse, that's presuming those buffs last the entire 3m. They last 15s. Sleeve Draw and Divination recast at 180s, so you get to do them once in 3m.

Assuming you can blast them out instantly (you can't), and compressing things so there's at least something of a compromise between accuracy and simplicity...

Window is 180s, so will be our divisor.
Fire Divination to give a 6% buff to all for 15s, then drum through Minor Arcana to drop 4x 8% buffs on everyone else, also for 15s. If they stack you've given 14% buff to 4 people for 15s. So +14% party DPS for 15s
30s later, you get a card again and can use it for a seal for 6% buff for another 15s, a total of 6 of them. That gets you 3*6% / 4 * 15s, or +4.5% party DPS for 15s.
Then you get 3 you can Minor Arcana, which gives you 3*8% / 4 * 15s, +6% party DPS for 15s.
So, 14% * 15s + 4.5% * 15s + 6% * 15s
(210 + 67.5 + 90) / 180s = ....

+2.04%? party DPS over 3m? That's for a 4-man. For 8 it's +1% party DPS.

Man, after that napkin math, cards don't even seem worth the trouble. I might just stop using them.