Novice Network

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Congratulations, your server's NN is decent. Now here's a mindblowing fact: Not every server's NN is as decent as yours. Shocking right?

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It could be, but OP is complaining also about people chatting in there about everything.
Welp this also happen on my server, people talk about everything because there isnt really too many people asking questions.
I still wonder what "toxicity" means, having a laugh is toxicity?

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

It could be, but OP is complaining also about people chatting in there about everything.
Welp this also happen on my server, people talk about everything because there isnt really too many people asking questions.
I still wonder what "toxicity" means, having a laugh is toxicity?

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The core of OP's argument, and might I add, other argument concerning the NN isn't off-topic convos in NN. It's the disregard for inquiries about the game coming from none other than the mentors themselves. Are there mentors who stop their shenanigans to answer questions and concerns in the NN? Yes, those type of people exist. Likewise, there are others who actually feel botheres by sprouts and returners for interrupting their fun or even worse, just straight up ignore and kick those people.

The issue is there. It may not show up in every server obviously or heck, at all times of the day but it exist and not in the "it's just a few bad seeds" category.

I've been in NN several times on a lot of servers (all aether data center if that matters) and I've always gotten an answer. I've also never seen any "toxicity" in the NN. People not answering questions, talking about drugs, or even getting into arguments isn't toxic. I wish I could find the toxic community here that people talk about as I'm tired of the 100% positive virtue signaling bs that's rampant.

Is NN helpful? Probably not extremely helpful. Does that make it toxic? No.

I've had some of my questions answered in NN and at other times it's ignored. Well, I don't think it's ignored on purpose, it's just at the time that I've asked questions that tend to get ignored, there's a lot of chat going on, maybe mentor helping another new player or they're just generally chatting about something. I don't take this to heart, I'll just let them talk and when the NN is quiet again, and if I remember to, I'll ask the question again and it'll usually get answered.

Though saying that, I have had a bad experience with NN on the same server but on a different character, which was quite a long time ago. Since then the people that I had issue with have actually stopped playing the game or have left the NN chat. I must admit it did put me off using the NN but after taking a long break from the game and returning I haven't found NN bad at all. In fact the only things I have seen is the mentors kicking people for being disruptive.

Strange - wife loved Siren's NN chat and misses it. Your the first person I've heard complain about it.

Feel free to friend me and ask me questions if I'm on.

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

Strange - wife loved Siren's NN chat and misses it. Your the first person I've heard complain about it.

Feel free to friend me and ask me questions if I'm on.

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This isn't the first thread about poor treatment in the NN. There are some very helpful people in this program, I'm sure, but there is also those that seep in that fail miserably at public relations. Is the program broken? Not entirely, but it needs to have stricter guidelines put in place to filter out those that are not in there for the reasons it was intended. It's not a social network, nor should it be allowed to turn into one.

People need a global chat channel to talk in. The easiest solution to this problem is for Square-Enix to just make a global chat channel like Novice Network, but for general chatter. And then everyone would chill in there over Novice Network.

It really doesn't help that there are toxic people on both sides and that makes it worse. If it was just the general chatter people being toxic--then the "NN is for newbies only!" people would have a leg to stand on, but they're guilty too. I can't tell you how many times I've had legitimately good conversations in Novice Network. There will be no one asking questions with a fun, creative atmosphere and some douchebag chirps in "hey NN is just for helping people!" Like no @@@@ Sherlock, but no one is asking questions. How dare you come in here and start making a scene and derailing from the pleasant conversation going. There's a lot of 'holier than thou' people out there who just want to see everyone else bend the knee to their way of thinking--even if it's negative for the community. So if we get a global chat channel then all the prudes can stay in Novice, and the cool kids can hang out in global.

Again, I can't state again how good it would be to get an official global chat channel. And to anyone who says "oh just form a linkshell."--bugger off. That's a bad suggestion and you don't understand how global chat works. The same for 'Join a FC" or "use shout chat."

The bottom line is. Novice Network can and WILL be the global chat channel until Square-Enix gives one. I think that's a valid cause everyone can get behind. Maybe y'all should petition for one or something. However that works.

Why do you want to be in there anyway?
Everyone knows by now that mentors often play worse than sprouts.
They're always the 1st to die, 1st to leave.
Join a nice fc, make friends there, and ask for they're help/opinion.

NN, on most worlds if not all, is just a clique of Mentors with a gaggle of sycophants. If you want help, don't turn to the NN. Ask in /shout. You're more likely to get help that way.

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Originally Posted by Keddera_StormMoon

Strange - wife loved Siren's NN chat and misses it. Your the first person I've heard complain about it.

Feel free to friend me and ask me questions if I'm on.

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I'm on Siren and I've rarely seen Siren's NN be anything more than a clique of Mentors who think they get to decide what the conversation is. First day I got my crown and hopped into it as a Mentor, I watched a drama llama parade ensue between the Mentors, kicking each other repeatedly and rejoining. This childish behavior happens every time I peek in to Siren's NN. I never talk there because no one is asking questions, just a bunch Mentors and their respective sycophants behaving like children fighting over a dirty lollipop.

This is tricky to discuss since every NN is going to have similarities and differences. As for my personal experience on Excalibur's NN there's a mixed bag of Novices getting questions answered, Novices not getting answers, drama between mentors, off topic conversations, ect.

The biggest issues of these usually is the mentor drama, you have all these people with a role akin to a chat mod who can ban each other and it leads to some messy situations where the NN is flooded by pointless drama.

As it is right now it's just a default LS new players auto join with the topic being advice and help. This of course means all the problems that come with a large group of strangers talking in one place. (Heyo sounds familiar!) The biggest thing that would help is like mentioned before, some kind of moderation that has a final say, versus the wild west public policing itself. But even then I couldn't begin to tell you how that would work or what a better system would be.

TL;DR Group chats be like that tho.