Expectations are ruining this game

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Originally Posted by Drez

Is this a server/data center thing. Cause it’s exceedingly rare to get more then a “hi” out of anyone running a dungeon no matter what happens. I’ve never once seen players lose their cool over a wipe or two or having people new to the run.

I almost never look up dungeons ahead of time. If it’s EX content I may look up a quick 5 minute crash course video if I’m doing itbeith total strangers.

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Honestly I think a lot of it is more the forums yelling about having to deal with new players.

But even still, with EX content, whatever it may be, it's stupid that you're expected to look it up beforehand.

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Originally Posted by Lascivus

So I started playing this game about 6 months ago with my fiance. Neither of us knew much of anything about it and that was a huge part of why I was so excited to play it.

But now, the expectation that you're supposed to look up and know everything about a dungeon before doing it is literally ruining it for me. I understand being frustrated when someone doesn't know the mechanics, trust me. But getting pissed off at someone for not knowing when it's their first time going through is so stupid.

Literally my fiance feels like they CAN'T tank a dungeon without memorizing the mechanics completely before going through because they know people who've done it before will get pissed off and yell at them for it.

I absolutely hate this bullshit. Let people learn as they go. You shouldn't have to research things before doing them.

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Just yolo it. For most dungeons and even the regular trials, as long as you apply a small bit of thought, youll pass 90% of the mechanics without an issue. This means you dont need a guide. The only time people really want you to use a guide is for EX/Savage content, or if you are extremely green to a roll.

It's cool, don't worry about other people's expectations. They do not matter. I definitely don't. First time I did innocence ex I did it blind. Same with Titania ex. I don't look up guides. Learn as I go. I told them I was going in blind before we entered, so nobody try to say something about that. I don't think dungeon guides are necessary at all, I actually don't think I have actually looked up one, at least for relevant content. I have looked up older dungeon guides as a refresher though if the party wipes (text).

The only things I personally want from players, is to utilize their class kit properly, example use your aoe combos when needed. I prefer to blind run as well, and I hate video format guides and refuse to watch them unless I really cannot get something down - but that's after trying blind.

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Originally Posted by Lascivus

Like I said, I understand the frustration. But I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to know ANYTHING before doing something. Even with raids. I don't want to know. If you can't handle new people not knowing, then you need to reevaluate yourself. Or like. Explain how it works before jumping in. The game literally tells you that there are new people when you start.

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If you want to go into a raid blind you should use party finder so that people know you are new and there may be a few wipes. As others have said alts are very common and if you don't say you are new most of us will assume you know what you are doing.

Never seen anyone get mad at not knowing a dungeon though.

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Originally Posted by Lascivus

Like I said, I understand the frustration. But I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to know ANYTHING before doing something. Even with raids. I don't want to know. If you can't handle new people not knowing, then you need to reevaluate yourself. Or like. Explain how it works before jumping in. The game literally tells you that there are new people when you start.

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If you want to blind run a raid, that's probably something reserved for making a PF. It's not fair on people who want to beat the thing, to have to drag someone through (plus people won't try to explain it to you if you want a true blind run).
Although 24man raids you can probably just wing it

It sucks that you've experienced something like that, but it's usually a good idea to tell your party "I'm new to the dungeon/tanking" before a run. If someone still wants to give you grief over your performance after that then report them and if it continues try to vote/kick them for harassment.

This is a strange complaint to hear, to me. I would love to hear any actual examples of this, and how often you've encountered it, because I think I've only ever seen people get visibly frustrated after someone wipes to something multiple times. Dungeons, in particular, are usually quite simple, so I can't even imagine what you or your fiance are screwing up.

I suspect you and/or your fiancee haven't actually had that many unpleasant experiences, it's just that the bad ones tend to stick out in your memory much more.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

If you want to go into a raid blind you should use party finder so that people know you are new and there may be a few wipes. As others have said alts are very common and if you don't say you are new most of us will assume you know what you are doing.

Never seen anyone get mad at not knowing a dungeon though.

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If you are doing story trials, unnecessary. If we are talking about extremes via party finder, you should probably speak up. Rather join a practice group, I went into my first ex's blind, but they were practice groups and I did tell them I was going in blind beforehand. Regular content like dungeons nah, don't worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

This is a strange complaint to hear, to me. I would love to hear any actual examples of this, and how often you've encountered it, because I think I've only ever seen people get visibly frustrated after someone wipes to something multiple times. Dungeons, in particular, are usually quite simple, so I can't even imagine what you or your fiance are screwing up.

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I don't think that really ends up being a problem of the player going in blind. I could excuse a couple failures to the same mechanic, but several times is a bit much.

Luckily in dungeons I have found that at a certain point, and on certain bosses the healer could be dead the entire fight and it doesn't matter. I did the level 79 dungeon yesterday where both the dps and tank died to the tile boss, and the tank revived outside for some reason and our healer never raised anyone for some reason as well. So he was just solo healing me the entire time, I really didn't understand why this healer wouldn't raise anyone. On the last boss the other DPS died and he didn't raise him at all either. It was a bit odd.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

This is a strange complaint to hear, to me. I would love to hear any actual examples of this, and how often you've encountered it, because I think I've only ever seen people get visibly frustrated after someone wipes to something multiple times. Dungeons, in particular, are usually quite simple, so I can't even imagine what you or your fiance are screwing up.

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We're not screwing up anything. Because they feel forced to look shit up beforehand to make sure we don't do anything wrong. Because there are so many people on here that complain when someone doesn't know something. Yes, we could say we're new. Yes, we can report people who get pissy in game. But they literally put off progressing until they have time to research because they don't want to deal with people getting pissy.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

If you want to blind run a raid, that's probably something reserved for making a PF. It's not fair on people who want to beat the thing, to have to explain and drag someone through.
Although 24man raids you can probably just wing it

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if you're using Duty Finder which is random, you should expect any kind of people being matched with you.