The DPS is not the Healer

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Originally Posted by BigHoffie

Nothing he said was wrong though, but way to throw out "entitled" like we're playing buzzword bingo.

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I mean, I'm glad they did. I just got my bingo!

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Originally Posted by Seraph522

Everyone needs to be on board with large pulls. Even if the tank and healer are cool with it, if the DPS can't (or won't) put out enough damage to kill the adds quickly, the pull can fail. Obviously, if the DPS are the only ones asking for large pulls, they don't get to dictate that either, and if they're forcing large pulls, they deserve a kick. But pulling is a team effort, and everyone needs to be up for it.

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The only reasonable answer here. No, tanks don't "have" to ask, but a second of courtesy isn't going to derail the dungeon, whereas a wipe will. Big pulls involve the entire party, so it shouldn't be a crazy suggestion to maybe check if everyone is on board with it.

OTOH this is mostly for levelling dungeons in which people are at-level, if everyone is synced down it doesn't matter so much. Still polite though.

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Originally Posted by Seraph522

Everyone needs to be on board with large pulls. Even if the tank and healer are cool with it, if the DPS can't (or won't) put out enough damage to kill the adds quickly, the pull can fail. Obviously, if the DPS are the only ones asking for large pulls, they don't get to dictate that either, and if they're forcing large pulls, they deserve a kick. But pulling is a team effort, and everyone needs to be up for it.

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The DPS aren't part of the equation of keeping the tank alive. So why would their input about large pulls be relevant?

If the DPS can't DPS enough and the group wipes because of that, then either try again or pull smaller. But I honestly don't recall ever hitting this particular wall while I was tanking.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Pulling multiple waves with a healer is AF gear and not even full 430/440 accessories isn't much fun. Yes it's nice for a tank to ask but in reality they most don't.

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I'm having no trouble with reasonable pace (read: wall to wall) pulls as a SCH in mostly the same conditions. I want to shoot myself when they -don't- pull like that, frankly. Now, if they're not mitigating properly, that's another matter entirely.

Idk how you guys manage to pull wall to wall in this expansion i found myself struggling to survive pulls like this and i had multiple cases of wipes because of it, it is a lot more difficult to do so today and it feels weird.
Pls give us protect bac.

Protect really won't help much. Wall to wall pulls require the tank able to mitigate (and having the gear), the healer able to keep up, and the DPS capable and geared to burn the mobs before the tank runs out of CDs. I learned real quick a fresh dinged 80 drk and his dps pals don't do wall to wall too well in the expert roulette (although we got pretty close!).

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Idk how you guys manage to pull wall to wall in this expansion i found myself struggling to survive pulls like this and i had multiple cases of wipes because of it, it is a lot more difficult to do so today and it feels weird.
Pls give us protect bac.

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Protect accounted for a measly amount of mechanics, it's more that tank mitigation was butchered in this expansion. So tanks have to be much smarter about actively rotating cooldowns.

And they usually aren't.

IMO, majority rules.

Tank doesn't decide.
DPS doesn't decide.
Healer doesn't decide.
The group decides.

The worst case scenario is that one of the parties in the group isn't up for it, and a wipe happens. So.. what.. you all lose a bit of time?

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Originally Posted by Videra

Protect accounted for a measly amount of mechanics, it's more that tank mitigation was butchered in this expansion. So tanks have to be much smarter about actively rotating cooldowns.

And they usually aren't.

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As a tank main... Wat?

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

IMO, majority rules.

Tank doesn't decide.
DPS doesn't decide.
Healer doesn't decide.
The group decides.

The worst case scenario is that one of the parties in the group isn't up for it, and a wipe happens. So.. what.. you all lose a bit of time?

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LoL can't remember the last time we ever had a vote. The tank usually decides and some do ask but rarely.