Can we try... In 5.0..

It's a bad idea, since certain portions of the community cannot be trusted to avoid forcing/threatening other players to push to grab every upgrade as quickly as possible.

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Originally Posted by Razard

Ok... and replace it with what, dare I ask?

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Replace it with nothing. Just let people gear as fast as they want. Even if you max your tome gear in one day you can't upgrade it all in one day. Not to mention the people that upgrade their gear casually with the 24 man raid can only upgrade one piece a week. To be clear I'm not a fan of loot lockouts either but one small cap unlock at a time :)

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's a bad idea, since certain portions of the community cannot be trusted to avoid forcing/threatening other players to push to grab every upgrade as quickly as possible.

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I don't think this would happen for casual content like dungeons. Maybe EX primals and Savage Raids but, that's a toxic community already anyway.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

And? Let the no lifers have no life. They're the minority of the playerbase. And when they've done so and complain about nothing to do, we will not feel sorry for them.

Adding support for no tome cap. Stop trying to limit me SE. Let me play the way I want to play.

Another system that might work is have different tomes based on role so you can gear multiple roles. A tank cap, a dps cap, and a heal cap. If you cap your main job tomes, you'd have to play Tank or Heals to get more tomes. That is only a good thing.

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This, this a 1000 times over. unlimit it, raise the cap, or at least make it per role/job... pls...

My bigger beef is with raid tokens for gear. I would rather have this: Complete X raid 10 times for 1 gear token, once per week limit. This at least guarantees someone won't be trying that one raid more than 10 times just to win the RNG token.

I should say that this is coming from the fact that I recently switched from SAM to PLD. My SAM is in for Sceaven Gear including the weapon, and gearing up my tank is taking forever. Needing two weeks for a body and leg piece and then one week for every other piece it's taking a very long time.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Replace it with nothing. Just let people gear as fast as they want. Even if you max your tome gear in one day you can't upgrade it all in one day. Not to mention the people that upgrade their gear casually with the 24 man raid can only upgrade one piece a week. To be clear I'm not a fan of loot lockouts either but one small cap unlock at a time :)

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So do the thing that is currently killing WoW?

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I should say that this is coming from the fact that I recently switched from SAM to PLD. My SAM is in for Sceaven Gear including the weapon, and gearing up my tank is taking forever. Needing two weeks for a body and leg piece and then one week for every other piece it's taking a very long time.

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Use mendacity gear and upgrade it, get crafted gear and upgrade it, alphas ape gear, eureka armor.

There are many ways to gear now, and since you said extremes and raids are full of toxicity, you probably aren't doing that content, so you don't need the gear quickly since you are just doing the easier content.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Use mendacity gear and upgrade it, get crafted gear and upgrade it, alphas ape gear, eureka armor.

There are many ways to gear now, and since you said extremes and raids are full of toxicity, you probably aren't doing that content, so you don't need the gear quickly since you are just doing the easier content.

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My Pld was in full Omega normal gear before I started. Except for one ring. I refuse to buy crafted gear and I'd just as soon delete my account before I go back into Eureka. I do do EX Primals but not Savage Raids. And yes I can do the Primals just fine... it's just bugging me to not be in full sceaven gear lol.

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Originally Posted by Razard

So do the thing that is currently killing WoW?

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I don't know what's killing WoW and what's not. I don't keep up with the game. I'm going to guess tho it's more than just being able to gear out your jobs more quickly tho.