BA shows that we fail as a Community (big time)

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Originally Posted by Sylow

Tbh, a lot of it is content design. BA progression should have MORE positive effects on the outside aside from one annoying NM.

Clear the twins? Bunny fate drops more gold chests.
Clear Raiden? NMs drop more crystals.
Clear support fate? Temporary drop rate increase of moisture-warped lockboxes.
Clear AV? NMs spawn faster. Throw in some lore about Eureka destabilizing or something.
Clear Ozma? Extend these effects for the whole zone for 30 minutes.

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I like the ideas.
Sad that the Dev Team couldn't think this far. Proves my opinion of half-baked content SE releases. Everything is always so short sighted.

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Originally Posted by YatoShishi

I can only speak for EU Datacenter and from what I read on the english forums about NA servers but in my opinion BA or rather open dungeons do not work in our society. It brings out the worst in people.

My experience (Iam alot in Eureka) is that Parties withing Hydatos NEVER form. No one shows interest into portals or BA. Sometimes they max get 1 Party together (which is really rare) shouting AFTER the boss is dead. So there is also the problem of being 0 prepared. So the solution for most people is: premade parties via partyfinder or via a discord channel.

Now, once those Parties manage to get into a instance together and people figured "wait, there are 4 parties int here who wanna do BA" THEN all of a sudden everyone has interest and its "everyones portal" so the result of that is, you guessed it, sniping. If to many sniper make it into the dungeon the result is the premade group leaves and everyone just wasted their time. Or if a sniper gets invited into the group it usualy ends up the sniper wiping the party. Another waste of time on everyones hand.

On EU Datacenter we even have a whole subculture of people lurking in Discord Channels and stalking premade groups, instance hoping with them, "stealing" a portal and mocking the parties who entered. (and yes those people get reported for stalking)

(please note Iam not saying everyone who uses a portal without a group is a sniper or does it on purpose, but lets be honest, most people do it "just to prove a point" or to get some sort of kick out of it, aka trolling)

We as a community failed. For some reason we do not manage to play together and respect each other.

My opinion is if you do NOT manage to get a bunch of people together inside eureka with a serious number of people to actually can encounter bosses (before the fate spawns, you rly need time to prepare) please let people with premade parties enjoy the content.

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This is why nothing in the game outside of BA has a claim system. It doesn't encourage teamwork, just "oh you wanted this? to bad" mentality.

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Originally Posted by Rockette

They tried something new, parts of it succeeded, parts of it failed.

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I kinda wish SE would quit trying new stuff. Every time they do it either turns out horrible, (Diadem, Eureka, BLU), or only the "hardcore" fan base like it. (Deep Dungeon challenge floors, Ultimate fights.) Not to mention we lost a Dungeon, Hildabrand Trials (which have been gone since ARR), MSQ Trials like Crysalis (Which I think have been gone since ARR?). I'd rather they work on making the content that does work better. Tying some of the things to the MSQ like 8 man raids, 24 man raids, and the primal fights so that it seems like all the extra stuff we are doing is impacting the world. Let the Devs make more mahjong games in their free time. Of course this is just my opinion so... probably doesn't matter in the long run to SE lol.

The ffxiv community didn't just die, it was MuRDERED. And that's a good thing, here's why.

As someone who has been using Discord to join BA groups, I find this both surprising and a bit saddening that people would purposefully do things like that. The people that use the discord method for forming groups are not elitist at all from what I am seen. I have used it 7 times to get into a BA group and let me tell you, I am the WORST BA player out there. Hell, I have not even made it past the first boss on either side without dying. And yet, even after telling my group that i am bad, they have always made me feel welcomed and encouraged me to just try my best and learn the bosses.

I am on Aether so maybe that is part of it, but I also tend to do the runs in the mornings when many Euro people are playing and I have yet to see any sniping going on. Many in the instance just want to do their own thing and ignore the portals. I think as word is getting out that the discord method is the best way to get a big run, people are not trying to form parties by themselves much anymore.

As for sniping itself, well there is really nothing that can be done since it IS a 'public' dungeon and as someone said, no one owns the portals, first come first served and all that.

Anonymity WILL make people annoying asses.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I kinda wish SE would quit trying new stuff. Every time they do it either turns out horrible, (Diadem, Eureka, BLU), or only the "hardcore" fan base like it. (Deep Dungeon challenge floors, Ultimate fights.) Not to mention we lost a Dungeon, Hildabrand Trials (which have been gone since ARR), MSQ Trials like Crysalis (Which I think have been gone since ARR?). I'd rather they work on making the content that does work better. Tying some of the things to the MSQ like 8 man raids, 24 man raids, and the primal fights so that it seems like all the extra stuff we are doing is impacting the world. Let the Devs make more mahjong games in their free time. Of course this is just my opinion so... probably doesn't matter in the long run to SE lol.

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Hard disagree. I welcome new things, keeps the game fresh. This content isn't for the "hardcore" at all. If anything, it has shown there is a audience for people in-between casual and raiders who want to participate in a large scale instance. This content could have been really fun if it weren't for the portals / instancing. It's been great for meeting new people, networking, and trying new things.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I kinda wish SE would quit trying new stuff. Every time they do it either turns out horrible, (Diadem, Eureka, BLU), or only the "hardcore" fan base like it. (Deep Dungeon challenge floors, Ultimate fights.) Not to mention we lost a Dungeon, Hildabrand Trials (which have been gone since ARR), MSQ Trials like Crysalis (Which I think have been gone since ARR?). I'd rather they work on making the content that does work better. Tying some of the things to the MSQ like 8 man raids, 24 man raids, and the primal fights so that it seems like all the extra stuff we are doing is impacting the world. Let the Devs make more mahjong games in their free time. Of course this is just my opinion so... probably doesn't matter in the long run to SE lol.

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I don't i'd rather they keep trying new things but actually take into consideration how different things are in NA/EU compared to JP as well as refining what they plan to do so it is not coming across as half assed as we keep getting the same tired analogy of The concept is there but the implementation is lacking

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Originally Posted by YatoShishi

My opinion is if you do NOT manage to get a bunch of people together inside eureka with a serious number of people to actually can encounter bosses (before the fate spawns, you rly need time to prepare) please let people with premade parties enjoy the content.

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Many players don't realize this sadly. They like to jump straight into content, especially if it's their first time. They want to experience it, and then get shocked by the response they get for not being prepared enough or at all for it. This is bound to happen every time new content is released.

Many don't realize it because organizing for any sort of content rarely happens in game. And if those people are not using discord, or reading the official forums/Reddit. Their mentality will mostly likely not change. I wouldn't say that majority are doing it with bad intentions, they simply lack knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Sylow

Tbh, a lot of it is content design. BA progression should have MORE positive effects on the outside aside from one annoying NM.

Clear the twins? Bunny fate drops more gold chests.
Clear Raiden? NMs drop more crystals.
Clear support fate? Temporary drop rate increase of moisture-warped lockboxes.
Clear AV? NMs spawn faster. Throw in some lore about Eureka destabilizing or something.
Clear Ozma? Extend these effects for the whole zone for 30 minutes.

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These are really good ideas. Having carrots outside of BA is a good way to keep people interested, especially if Ovni doesn't pop all the time when people are in BA.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Not to mention we lost a Dungeon

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I'd give up all dungeons from Ala Mhigo to Ghimlyt Dark for a fifth Eureka actually. Even a Pagos. Or a third Ultimate that I'd never clear.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

I'd give up all dungeons from Ala Mhigo to Ghimlyt Dark for a fifth Eureka actually. Even a Pagos. Or a third Ultimate that I'd never clear.

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I would never understand why. I love dungeons.