Shadowbringers and Ivalice

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

Ivalice is the name of the world, the country we risk to explore and free is Dalmasca.... will be nice to not mix up info on this point. [/hb]

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Technically, it's wrong, since the name Ivalice means something different in every game of Ivalice Alliance.
Ivalice is a region in FFXII, a kingdom in Tactics, a citiy in Tactics Advance.

Also what I understood from FFXIV, and maybe Im wrong, is that Ivalice is part of the near estern region, where dalmasca is, thus dalmasca is located inside Ivalice, which is part of the eastern continent.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Technically, it's wrong, since the name Ivalice means something different in every game of Ivalice Alliance.
Ivalice is a region in FFXII, a kingdom in Tactics, a citiy in Tactics Advance.

Also what I understood from FFXIV, and maybe Im wrong, is that Ivalice is part of the near estern region, where dalmasca is, thus dalmasca is located inside Ivalice, which is part of the eastern continent.

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Pretty sure Dalmasca is a modern country built on top of the area where Ivalice existed prior. So it cannot be said that Dalmasca is inside Ivalice. As for it being more prominent in 5.0? I hope not. Really not a fan of the idea. Fanservice areas like Doma or Costa del Sol or the Crystal tower are fine as nods, but I's rather see XIV develop its own lore. And quite honestly the way the story was delivered RtI made me less interested in Ivalice instead of more.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Also what I understood from FFXIV, and maybe Im wrong, is that Ivalice is part of the near estern region, where dalmasca is, thus dalmasca is located inside Ivalice, which is part of the eastern continent.

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Ivalice technically no longer exists on Hydalen as it was a once ancient civilization that has long since died out, much like the Allagan Empire, Mhach, and Amdapor. The Kingdom of Dalmasca was built atop of the ruins of Ivalice there for if anything Ivalice is inside of Dalmasca and not the otherway around, but it is a moot point because Ivalice is ancient history in FF14 Lore.

Okay so now I understand that Ivalice is kind of inside Dalmasca in FFXIV okay, just to be clear whean I said Ivalice in this topic I was talking about Dalmasca

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Pretty sure Dalmasca is a modern country built on top of the area where Ivalice existed prior. So it cannot be said that Dalmasca is inside Ivalice. As for it being more prominent in 5.0? I hope not. Really not a fan of the idea. Fanservice areas like Doma or Costa del Sol or the Crystal tower are fine as nods, but I's rather see XIV develop its own lore. And quite honestly the way the story was delivered RtI made me less interested in Ivalice instead of more.

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Dalmasca being part of Hydaelyn geography, I'm pretty sure it's mandatory for it to be explorable. Maybe not in 5.0 tho, but it's now a part of the FFXIV lore.

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

Dalmasca being part of Hydaelyn geography, I'm pretty sure it's mandatory for it to be explorable. Maybe not in 5.0 tho, but it's now a part of the FFXIV lore.

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since Ala Mhigo is not an actual town we can enter, there's nothing mandatory any more.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

since Ala Mhigo is not an actual town we can enter, there's nothing mandatory any more.

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What ? we can enter inside Ala Mhigo

Huh, interesting conversation. I was until now under the false notion that Ivalice was the area that we may be venturing to. Hence the mention of the Nu Mous, Viera, Bangaas and so many nods from the raids and quests. Now it dawned on me that I mistook the "new world" for Ivalice when it's likely or possibly Vana'diel, in some form. I guess I didn't pay as much attention to the Return to Ivalice series as I should have.

I really thought XIV's version of Ivalice was a continent and not an extinct kingdom. Then the Viera jungles and Nu Mou territories are located in Eorzea?

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Originally Posted by Kupocoubo

What ? we can enter inside Ala Mhigo

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I mean, we kinda expected the city proper, like all the main city states. We are inside Ala Mhigo, the problem is, is terribly underwhelming, barely a corner in a map. Is like 1/6 of all other cities, while due to imperial occupation, it should be a hella bigger. Yes i know, the dungeon, that one instance, sorry to fragmented to see it proper.

Othard was a mistake. Kugane should be our city in 5.0, Shadowbringers should be 6.0 and in a turn of events, 7.0 should be either new world or meracydia, hydaelyn is amazing enough, stop it with the dimensional stuff. Stormblood was a narrative mess, headed everywhere and achieved nothing. The city we expected the most to visit, we never got, and all brand new areas are basically irrelevant at this point in the main scenario, othard became a literal dead end... It's like a bad anime deteour to justify a few filler episodes, is what all of stormblood feels like save when we approached the end, since it basically just finally reconnected with the main storyline.We barely even see any "warfare" which is kinda what we expected, i didn't ever felt anything remotely close to be part or lead a "revolution". The maps were all boring, the FATEs are all unrelated to anything important going on a proper frontline (what all of Ala Mhigan regions should have been). The theming of all of Stormblood maps was so awfully bad, only the steppes were good and is because it's is own thing entirely, let alone what they made of the Burn.

About the main topic, Isn't Dalmasca near Nanxia, the clouded part of the Othard continent? Is probably the main "landway" between Othard and Garlemald, that we could travel without getting too deep into the mountains north of the steppes where i think life becomes pretty much impossible and traversing it is kinda suicide, the burn which we know is to some degree "explorable" and the many jungles of the western end of Othard are the only way. So maybe the next raid will expand it's reach north of it? Again, this is all a whole mess because we got Othard. Seriously, we sould have gotten only Ala Mhigo, with better themed and diverse regions. The Ivalician raid had massive implications for the main scenario, specially towards it's end, a whole legion is working there and the dalmascans seem to be organizing to try again to remove the empire, so we either participate of that or recive a very bad notice about their fates during 5.0

Again, all this because Othard was a mistake.

We could have gotten the ivalician raid as part of Ala Mhigo, kinda like the land route, while pushing the garleans back to rejoin the landways. We even got in a boat to reach Othard and skipped the most important city in the whole thing, Thavnair.
Seriously, we are just skipping so much stuff as we move on, feels so unconnected and kinda random. You don't abandon fronts to go open new ones.... And then close that to never use it again. As Ishgard, half the expansion will be left abandoned in a time bubble.

Raids, dungeons, damn, the game could use even mid expansion map additions. Every patch should add a new region to explore. We still have so much in Eorzea to properly explore.

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Originally Posted by Auryan

Huh, interesting conversation. I was until now under the false notion that Ivalice was the area that we may be venturing to. Hence the mention of the Nu Mous, Viera, Bangaas and so many nods from the raids and quests. Now it dawned on me that I mistook the "new world" for Ivalice when it's likely or possibly Vana'diel, in some form. I guess I didn't pay as much attention to the Return to Ivalice series as I should have.

I really thought XIV's version of Ivalice was a continent and not an extinct kingdom. Then the Viera jungles and Nu Mou territories are located in Eorzea?

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Dalmasca is located the far east continent Othard, it's more western than Doma, more "near eastern", the vieras and nu mous should come from Dalmasca or neighbor lands, not Eorzea.