4.4 macros

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Originally Posted by KatenKyokotsu

Caimie sempai and all the crafter sempai, is there a 4.4 macro for ppl like me with minimum stats? >. <!

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You should really try to do your own rotations. At first I was a bit lost and nervous, but it quickly became really fun!
Crafting simulators don't seem up to date yet so right now I'm focusing on my melding (which is going very badly, SE having an issue with statistics), but as soon as they include 4.4 crafts, you should try.
Doing your own macros can better apply to your current stat. And if in a pinch, there's always Maker's Mark rotation.

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Originally Posted by KatenKyokotsu

Caimie sempai and all the crafter sempai, is there a 4.4 macro for ppl like me with minimum stats? >. <!

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Well, to be fair, people with minimal stats probably should not be able to effectively macro things. "Reliable macro-ing" is supposed to be reserved for those who melded their heart out. This is for players who need to massively craft stuff. So their investment of very expensive melds would be justified. If someone just need to craft a few items, then manual crafting is usually the way to go, and it will only require minimal stats.

However, you can still try some of those macros I have. As far as I know, one could have a lot less craftsmanship, and still be able to complete the items using my macros. But what the minimum craftsmanship is, that I don't know. It's tough to check especially when the new recipes are not yet available on the crafting simulator (http://ffxiv-beta.lokyst.net/#/simulator)

I agree with what Kalayel said above. One thing to do, would be to manually make an ingot (35 durab) or make an infusion (70 durab), and test whether one's minimal stats are able to complete the item using the "completion method" in a given macro. Don't do any quality push, but to add in an extra "Manip2" if need.... just so that you can at least complete the item even if the "completion method" failed. Since ingots and infusions are not completely "obsolete" when NQ, they can still be useful. With this, one will now know whether those given macros are usable. If the macros are unable to complete the item, then modify them on your own. This is the part, which you can step up, and play, and be more involved in development a macro that suits your own stats.

Another thing to do, would be just like you said, to use a Maker's Mark rotation. That is, to "properly" do things manually in the strongest way possible. Maker's Mark rotations are usually much stronger than Initial Prep rotations or Muscle Memory rotations. It is expected that even with minimal stats, this will be sufficient to HQ almost anything.

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Originally Posted by KatenKyokotsu

Caimie sempai and all the crafter sempai, is there a 4.4 macro for ppl like me with minimum stats? >. <!

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If you have true tier minimum stats, then you can either get by with Maker's Mark and/or Whistle (with Initial Prep), it will be sufficient enough to get you plenty of Gil so you can work on remelding for more stats, or whatever.

If you're macroing, you might be saving yourself the pain of working your wrists, but you will also wasting A LOT of time.

Thanks for everyone's advice. I have found it. But it requires some hq mats so I guess is ok :p

So my macros for 4.3 worked as written for both build and final items. I put in as many HQ bits as I could other than the mendacity items for safety, but I could have easily used far less. On the one hand, it's disappointing that there's no new techniques required, but on the other I have my first set of i380 gear before doing any of the battle content this patch.

The strangest thing happened, today. I used teamcraft's simulator to try and create some macro. Specialist and non-specialist 35 dura macro worked, specialist 70 dura macro worked too but the non-specialist 70 dura macro failed (good thing I tried with a ring first). I was able to use every single move in the macro, but fell short of 5 synthesis point while I was one point ahead in my simulation. So I reopened the simulator, entered manually the macro and... impossible to finish the craft. According to the simulator, I'm missing something like 20 CP to make the last two moves, and even if I had them, the synthesis would still lack more than 200 points.
I'm sitting there, trying to understand what went from "Ok, this macro works in the simulator." to "ok, this exact same macro with exact same stats doesn't work at all."

So I scrambled to do all my overmelding prior to this patch and I can't seem to find any reliable information on what a "good" stat threshold is.

As a non-specialist without food or tea, I'm sitting at 1701 CRA, 1663 CON, and 493 CP. I only have CP melds on my tools, so if I need some extra stats I can put them there, but I'm really nervous to even start as I don't have much gil to invest in failed crafts atm ;.; Thoughts?

@Elamys:
If it can be of any help, I recently crafted a full gear for my main classe (WHM) with those stats: 1673 craft, 1659 control and 479 CP.

I can't finish my melding as long as I'm missing lvl V control materias, so I gave it a go and it worked. I had all my macros gone because of a reinstall, but the ones I made to craft my gear weren't that different from those used in 4.3, if I had to guess. Therefore, with your stats, you should be able to make macros powerful enough.

Here's what I used:

35 dura, non-specialist (Katlyna's rotation):
/ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Patient Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Patient Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>

/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/echo Craft finished <se.3>

35 dura, specialist (could be improved with your amount of CP):
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>

/ac Innovation <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo Craft finished <se.3>

70 dura, non-specialist (starting quality: 6000):
/ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>

/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #2 finished <se.2>

70 dura specialist (starting quality: 4000):
/ac "Initial Preparations" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.3>
/ac "Specialty: Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Piece by Piece" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Observe <wait.3>
/ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation II" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.3>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>

/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <wait.3>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis III" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

Note that, with my stats, I could craft the 35 dura without using tea. However, I had to use tea for the 70 dura crafts. But lucky you! With your amount of CP, you don't need tea at all, so it's less time and material consuming.
Also note that the 35 dura specialist doesn't go completely to 100% but you get at minimum 91% HQ chance with all NQ material. However, the 35 dura non-specialist has RNG with the use of two patient touch. Since ff14's statistics miss more than often, it has the potential to ruin your craft, so maybe become specialist where there are less items to do.

Thank you very much, Kalayel! It's been harder than usual for some reason this patch to find clear information on what to expect or gear for. I've never been very good at coming up with my own rotations so I've given up at this point.

Well, after all, the patch just came out so everything's still in research mode. But making rotations isn't that hard with a bit of practice, the ones I made are quite basic and could use some improvements ^^