Furnishings

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Originally Posted by Nabril

All of this is cosmetic. None of it adds to gameplay.

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Glamour and housing is the true endgame.
Only a bit more seriously (I was dead serious to begin with), a lot of housing items are a horrible pain in the neck to make. From items from Canals and Heaven on High now, through things you can spend literal weeks trying to get from retainer ventures or airship and submarine ventures...
They're expensive because they take effort to make or get, and there's demand. It's v. simple logic.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

Furniture is expensive in real life. I get that. But this is a video game. Why does it cost millions of credits to outfit a home? All of this is cosmetic. None of it adds to gameplay.

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It doesn't cost millions. Or rather, it doesn't have to cost millions.
A lot of housing items can be bought cheaply from NPC vendors. Most of the rest can be crafted fairly easily.
It is only some items that are hard to make for one reason or another that will be expensive to acquire.

Which furniture items do you feel are... lets say incorrectly expensive? I mean, im not done outfitting my mansion yet, but i doubt ive spent more then two million on furniture yet. And a mansion has a lot of slots to try to fill.

So what I'm seeing is that because long time players have no way to spend their money, new players like myself can only see furniture as end game stuff. It's fine. I can learn from this. It'll be much faster for me to max out carpentry than it will be for me to get all these untold riches that long time players have. So I'm leveling up my crafting skills.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

Which furniture items do you feel are... lets say incorrectly expensive? I mean, im not done outfitting my mansion yet, but i doubt ive spent more then two million on furniture yet. And a mansion has a lot of slots to try to fill.

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Pretty much everything that I'm seeing for over 300,000. I am a brand new level 70. I don't have millions of gil. I currently have 67,497 gil. I also don't see a way to just walk out and find 1 million gil. So it's time for me to just stop questing and build up some crafting skills so that I can try to get people to buy stuff from me for a super high price.

If u don't want to craft look for items Crafters need that can be obtained from mobs or learn the market and get ahead of the curve on something. As a fairly new lvl 70 when eureka anemos released I made somewhere around 60-70mil off materia and I'm constantly killing select mobs to sell certain items that can net 100-300k per 99 stack.

On housing items I think they are fairly priced, anything that looks like a pain to craft myself I'll go out and buy.

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Originally Posted by Nabril

So what I'm seeing is that because long time players have no way to spend their money, new players like myself can only see furniture as end game stuff. It's fine. I can learn from this. It'll be much faster for me to max out carpentry than it will be for me to get all these untold riches that long time players have. So I'm leveling up my crafting skills.

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It has nothing to do with old players but with housing being considered end game by the game itself. Its supposed to be a goal to strife and work over a longer period of time, not something thats just given to you once you hit max-level.

Gil is indeed very easy to come by, once you pick up crafting and gathering. Or you craft the furniture yourself, that might end up being cheaper.

Dont get to bitter and frustrated about not everything being handed to you like candy... you kinda sound like that.

Look at decorating as a longterm project, rather than something thats just finished in an afternoon.

A lot of furniture is annoying to make, because it requires mats that are only used for said furniture, so most people wont have them on them at all times. Or its lowlevel mats that no one uses anymore. Gathering and making it yourself might help you to understand why people are asking for "so much money".
Thanks to inflation gil is also worth less and less - once you get into the crafting game, you'll notice.
Word of advice for that though: Pick up gathering aswell, be self-suffient, dont waste money on mats you can get yourself!

I made probably 100 million gil total off maps and dungeon roulettes, you don't have to be a crafter to make a lot of gil. It's handed out like candy as it is.

I know people who have played a long time but have no money. I am very frugal with my gil, even though I have little to spend it on.

Because there is nothing to spend gil on, so for the stuff actually that has any kind of demand is inflated higher then it would be, then if the game had true opportunity costs. So for example, if we had a situation where person A needs to spend 100000 gil to enhance progressing where person b would want to spend 100000 gil for housing because they may not care about progress, or done it already, you have more of a balance. But the situation in FFXIV is, everyone has gil, nothing to do with it, so if you have 1 item available, and 5 people want it, where one person can buy it for 500000, and the other 4 can only pay 100000 it is worth 500000 and that one person gets it, thus the law of supply and demand (actually this is more of a simplified version of it, as there are concepts such as quantity demanded at work here)

Or the basic way of saying this, SE did not put much thought in FFXIV's economy as a whole to make a healthy market.

Gil is easy to come by if you put effort into doing so, how long you played makes no difference for this. The reason has to do with what was stated above, find something no one is selling because of lazy or whatever and you will make gil. Reselling stuff you can buy at npc is also an option.

You can also find the recipes online, and take a look at buying or gathering the materials. While in some cases the materials can be prohibitively difficult to get (re: marine ester wax, etc.), you can frequently get the materials at a fraction and then advertise in a main city to find a crafter if you don't know someone already who can make them.

Furnishing your home doesn’t have to be expensive. I have an FC that spoils me and helped me make the furniture for my medium in Shiro, along with my castle walls for the exterior. They provided some mats (tho they provided the majority of the mats for the exterior), but I also busted myself trying to get a good portion of mats to help, since gathering is one of my favorite activities. Oh I need primal mats? I go out and farm what I need and bring it back to have it crafted.

It takes more time than just buying it, sure, but I feel it’s more rewarding. Plus, it’s far easier on my wallet.