i'm really disappointed SE

Also you can't blame SE all the time because even in ffxi people would want you this job or this sub vs this and that. due to the fact that people find this set up easy SE can't balance everything 100%. Sadly even if jobs do come out THM and Lancer would be better due to the fact that Pug can't get to close or they get hit and take a lot of DMG and arc get lock on to the mob and die but maybe SE would fix that :) can always hope.

btw i mean only after skill adjusment patch.. before patch it was no problem

I have one idea if its going to be good for it "or its already in plan" that some classes/jobs have different skills which will help in the fight... ex, PUG/MNK can do puch to stun , LNC/DRG can reduce its TP or increase party TP , slow blind poison..
but it should be spreaded to all classes .... it was good before the adjustments >_<

I dont agree with the people saying it is the communitys fault,

several years playing XI and class stacking was rarely seen.

If we take the moogle fight as an example, people take archers because they can do combos alot easier than melee who have to hit the correct side of a mob, which is difficult if the mob is moving around.

SE designed the fight with multiple mobs that are moving around alot, visa vie- fault of battle design (NOT the community)

i find it ironic that SE made combos proc when the correct face of a mob is hit and then introduce this kind of battle.

SE allways seem to give a good advantage to stacking one or another job..

and people allways say "well you CAN do it without stacking jobs"... yes we all know that, but that is missing the point,

the point is people are stacking jobs because of whatever advantage.


whatever the rhyme or reason it is getting really old by this point.. SE should try to stop it from happening, possibly by offering buffs to more diverse parties.

Arc stacking may disappear with the intrduction of the new jobs depending on whether or not they offer a better advantage than ARC's.. whether class stacking in general will disappear is another question.

Maybe SE should take a look at why job stacking wasnt prevelant in FFXI??

Such an Ignorant post.

Only people who are to lazy to figure these Fights out for themselves believe this kind of Elitest Spew.

Every Class is effective in every Fight.

PGL is great at Tanking Ifrit and can put out the most Damage on Moogle if done right. PGL also is best DD for Baatral because they pwn Skellies with ease and can tank them while doing it.

Lancer Out damages THM on ifrit constantly and By far does the Most damage on DH ogre.

Mrd can tank anything that GLA can and match most DDs in almost every fight.

Don't push this kind of Garbage on this community. Just because some setups have very simple mechanics does not make them the best. Do not perpetuate the FFXI DRK > ALL kind of bogus rumors in this community.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Such an Ignorant post.

Only people who are to lazy to figure these Fights out for themselves believe this kind of Elitest Spew.

Every Class is effective in every Fight.

PGL is great at Tanking Ifrit and can put out the most Damage on Moogle if done right. PGL also is best DD for Baatral because they pwn Skellies with ease and can tank them while doing it.

Lancer Out damages THM on ifrit constantly and By far does the Most damage on DH ogre.

Mrd can tank anything that GLA can and match most DDs in almost every fight.

Don't push this kind of Garbage on this community. Just because some setups have very simple mechanics does not make them the best. Do not perpetuate the FFXI DRK > ALL kind of bogus rumors in this community.

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not sure if this is directed at my post but dam.. maybe you should take up boxing to vent some of that anger lol..

but anyway, you kinda said alot without really saying much.. if you accept class stacking is a problem, which i find it hard to dispute, what do you propose?

maybe you can offer something usefull?

My opinion, stop having mobs that spam AOE every 5-15 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Such an Ignorant post.

Only people who are to lazy to figure these Fights out for themselves believe this kind of Elitest Spew.

Every Class is effective in every Fight.

PGL is great at Tanking Ifrit and can put out the most Damage on Moogle if done right. PGL also is best DD for Baatral because they pwn Skellies with ease and can tank them while doing it.

Lancer Out damages THM on ifrit constantly and By far does the Most damage on DH ogre.

Mrd can tank anything that GLA can and match most DDs in almost every fight.

Don't push this kind of Garbage on this community. Just because some setups have very simple mechanics does not make them the best. Do not perpetuate the FFXI DRK > ALL kind of bogus rumors in this community.

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MRD is a good tank my ls try it with ifrit the only issue is if one of the healers are down it going to be really hard to keep that MRD HP up. While GLA have more ways of keeping him/her self up and way to heal faster but if the healers are good players you take down ifrit faster due to the fact that MRD is doing over 10+k dmg vs GLA doing less :) so i agree every class is useful but people just want to do what works.

Already been said, people stack jobs. The debate of what class is better for what battle or what does more damage is useless as well. You personally might out damage another job on one run and think well, my PUG is the best DD. Even when the same player uses different jobs their level of "skill" in each job will not be the same. Like already stated people will be sheep and follow the path of least resistance. There are pros and cons of each job and the player not the battle environment make that job good or not in that instance. The jobs are balanced and working as they should imo. You can run 8 CNJ on Ifrit or use every job in the game and get a win. I've seen pickup parties finish Ifrit runs with the DD only taking damage from Hellfire and nothing else. Over time people will learn the fights on their own and not use the elitist strategy from 6 months ago.

It is all personal preference, Most of those builds are geared toward easy fight, as opposed to a hard one. It is more then possible and could even be more effective to have different parties, However if you look at the groups, You are talking about classes that have the most range to Avoid having to be too active in the battle. Stacking classes as stated earlier is a personal choice. All the fights can be won with the other classes. LNC's happen to be a very very damaging class. the OP stated they were gonna be forgotten.... That is a poor observation. It is all preference. Do whatever suits you. really blaming SE for player choices is a little much

I dont care whethers Its down to SE or down to the players..

But since we cant expect the players to change their ways it is down to the developers to try and change the way people are playing their game.

so.. SE should be the ones to try and stop class stacking (instead of encourageing it)... there has to be a million things they can do so it shouldnt that difficult.

so far i havent even seen them acknowledge it as a problem.